Had Walter Mashburn been on the list of seven, he would right now be everybody's top pick for red John. He is far and away the best fit, which I think in of itself is proof that Heller couldn't have a true list of suspects because it would just be far too obvious. Which is exactly why I never bought into that list.
First of all , i am perfectly aware that Mashburn isn't on the list. But the fact that he was casted as "red john" on imdb.com but afterwards removed , has to mean something (tho knowing Bruno Heller it's everything but the truth lol) .. maybe just another trick. BUT, i still think that imdb.com posted who really is RJ but BH afterwards asked for it to be removed, because they already filmed 8th episode and it was just a normal update on imdb.
NOW, why would possibly Walter Mashburn be red john?(I posted this theory 6-7 months ago)
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1. Since every RJ accomplice said to Patrick Jane that they are alike, they have that same charisma and a way of carrying themselfs,he is not sneaky and the kind of a creepy guy who hides in his basement. He is a good manipulator , so why would you believe anything that Rosalind Harker said? She could be : a) lying ( and patrick jane couldn't detect it because he always looks at people's eyes to find out whether they're lying)
b) it maybe true ( because Walter Mashburn fits the description, so there's that.)
(And also, i know you guys loved his character on the show ( Waler Mashburn ) which means that he has that natural way of manipulating )
2.The mentalist is not just about Patrick Jane, but also about Red John , because he is "the mentalist" too, they are perfectly alike , they are the same. So it makes perfect sense that they would get along when they meet ( not like Brett Partridge whom Patrick Jane can't stand)
3. The fact that in 6 seasons, Walter was the only one who could seduce Lisbon to sleep with him, which : a) proves that PJ and RJ have the same taste and interests.
b) Imagine the scenario where Lisbon has to admit to PJ that she slept with the person who killed his family. I mean, it writes itself ! lol
4. Alright , this is a big one.
Walter Mashburn while having lunch with PJ and Lisbon said that his 3. wife was all into this mystical psychic stuff. HIS THIRD WIFE WAS CHRISTINA FRYE.
a) She knew and was sure 100% that his PJ's daughter never woke up when RJ killed her.
b) When RJ kidnapped her, he didn't kill her because he liked her, she was his wife . He just hypnotized her.
( PJ likes lisbon , and so does RJ. Same goes for christina , PJ dated her for a while, THIS PROVES THAT THEY ARE 100% ALIKE.)
c) final episode of 2nd. season : last thing that RJ said to PJ when he was trapped : " christina would want me to send her love , she's very fond of you despite your differences" ( like he knows christina very well and their differences.)
5. Red John didn't know patrick when he killed his family . But now when he does, he doesn't want to hurt him anymore. In his own way, he loves patrick, he wants to be his friend.
That's why the only two people over 6 seasons that RJ spared were lisbon and christina. ( 2 women that Patrick obviously liked )
I have ALOT more to share with you.
First of all , i am perfectly aware that Mashburn isn't on the list. But the fact that he was casted as "red john" on imdb.com but afterwards removed , has to mean something (tho knowing Bruno Heller it's everything but the truth lol) .. maybe just another trick. BUT, i still think that imdb.com posted who really is RJ but BH afterwards asked for it to be removed, because they already filmed 8th episode and it was just a normal update on imdb.
NOW, why would possibly Walter Mashburn be red john?(I posted this theory 6-7 months ago)
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1. Since every RJ accomplice said to Patrick Jane that they are alike, they have that same charisma and a way of carrying themselfs,he is not sneaky and the kind of a creepy guy who hides in his basement. He is a good manipulator , so why would you believe anything that Rosalind Harker said? She could be : a) lying ( and patrick jane couldn't detect it because he always looks at people's eyes to find out whether they're lying)
b) it maybe true ( because Walter Mashburn fits the description, so there's that.)
(And also, i know you guys loved his character on the show ( Waler Mashburn ) which means that he has that natural way of manipulating )
2.The mentalist is not just about Patrick Jane, but also about Red John , because he is "the mentalist" too, they are perfectly alike , they are the same. So it makes perfect sense that they would get along when they meet ( not like Brett Partridge whom Patrick Jane can't stand)
3. The fact that in 6 seasons, Walter was the only one who could seduce Lisbon to sleep with him, which : a) proves that PJ and RJ have the same taste and interests.
b) Imagine the scenario where Lisbon has to admit to PJ that she slept with the person who killed his family. I mean, it writes itself ! lol
4. Alright , this is a big one.
Walter Mashburn while having lunch with PJ and Lisbon said that his 3. wife was all into this mystical psychic stuff. HIS THIRD WIFE WAS CHRISTINA FRYE.
a) She knew and was sure 100% that his PJ's daughter never woke up when RJ killed her.
b) When RJ kidnapped her, he didn't kill her because he liked her, she was his wife . He just hypnotized her.
( PJ likes lisbon , and so does RJ. Same goes for christina , PJ dated her for a while, THIS PROVES THAT THEY ARE 100% ALIKE.)
c) final episode of 2nd. season : last thing that RJ said to PJ when he was trapped : " christina would want me to send her love , she's very fond of you despite your differences" ( like he knows christina very well and their differences.)
5. Red John didn't know patrick when he killed his family . But now when he does, he doesn't want to hurt him anymore. In his own way, he loves patrick, he wants to be his friend.
That's why the only two people over 6 seasons that RJ spared were lisbon and christina. ( 2 women that Patrick obviously liked )
I have ALOT more to share with you.
I'm not over thinking here or trying to be smart. Right or wrong (and probably wrong), this is just the rollout I like best.
I want it to be Mashburn. And while I'm choosing my own adventure, why not Mashburn as RJ with a showman's twist?
Something like: Mashburn is Kirkland's long-lost twin who has had a decent amount of plastic surgery. RJ didn't take Michael Kirkland in, Michael became RJ. Maybe it was Visualize that gave Michael Kirkland the vision and oomph to re-imagine himself, but it was certainly his abusive father who wiped the empathy right out of him and made him a sociopath.
To stretch things, this scenario actually kind of, sort of works with the current list if you allow that Kirkland can be a placeholder for his twin.
And why isn't Walter Mashburn on the list, btw? This is the dude that let Jane drive his car blindfolded. That takes a whole lot of faith. You have to be competitive and willing to die to get into the car and hand over your keys in that situation. Mashburn didn't even blink or hesitate. He's too curious and fascinated not to because Jane is his sociopath-crush.
Loralei says that she was shocked that Jane and RJ didn't hit it off when they met, and don't Mashburn and Jane seem like they would be the types to chill together? They have everything in common--from clothes to peacocking cars to egos to attitudes on Jane's party tricks. Women who are attracted to Mashburn would also be attracted to Jane and vice versa.
Mashburn is also the only one who seems like a man who could have Loralei as a devoted groupee. I see her following Mashburn. No one else really works with Loralei… or seems like they would use a limo service for a meeting.
Also, the name Walter means: Ruler of the Army. Fun coincidence, or clue in plain sight.
Regardless, RJ seems to have a twin fetish. That would make sense if he was a twin himself. Plus he fits every requirement and matches every description.
Chances of this being the big reveal probably sit somewhere around 1%, but that doesn't mean I don't have to like it…even at those odds.
If you agree that Mashburn should be on the list, go ahead and hit plausible.
This is a question, not a theory: Why is Mashburn not on the list? He is the perfect candidate to be RJ. No one else even compares. Also, we know he has some sort of phobia and it seems odd that Jane accused Mashburn of a mild dirt phobia when he does a cold read of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL336yZCB90
Anyway, just curious. I missed whatever thing it was that took him off Jane's list.
They blew away the best character created ... has a "touch & go" with Lisbon and gets out of the picture for 3 seasons. Sent Jane a "nice gift" for his breakdown : Lorelei (nice mistress indeed). Asks for Lisbon's head as if saying "we're even dude, knew you wouldn't gimme her head and I didn't want hers" (Lorelei said it anyways) ... charismatic, billionaire, womanizer, good at building bombs, he was at a reformatory (Bret Stiles decided to help this ambitious lad like he so proudly announced did with the ecuatorian child) ... issues with his mother ... was on Jane's list ... but there's this thing that bothers me : why did Lisbon said there were 8 suspects on this season's first episode and Jane didn't even corrects her ... an spoiler says thay she's gonna search for the worst possible person for some help or whatever ... if that's true an ex-one night stand that suddenly reappears as another spoiler is saying would make it great ... Mashburn being Red John ... the reason Jane and Lisbon's relation straints and ends up pretty bad after the hunt is over ... to hell with Red John
So let's change the game up a bit since we've seen every theory there is by now.Let's play WHO WOULD YOU HAVE MADE RED JOHN?
Looking at all of the characters in the show that have wandered through, I'd say that Mashburn would have been the one who made the most sense to turn into Red John.He's good looking (enough to get Lisbon into bed), smart, independent, the right age, and matches the description of Rosalind to boot.So write up your own "I would have picked" theory.
