Ok, if someone could debunk theory 11189, it would be much appreciated. Someone is playing one hell of a trick, trolling us or is psychic like Red John. I'm not linking it.

let's discuss things that need to be explained, but have not yet: Lorelei's attempt to kill Rj and how he killed her insteadWhat happened to Kristina Frye and how are RJ-Stiles-Patrick-Frye all interconnectedFootball connection: Van Pelt's dad, haffner, o'loughlin, roll tide, does it mean anything?"He is ma" - Heisman, many, married, marked, Ellis Mars (el es Mars, he is Mar), etc. Brett Partridge - my strongest theory is that he staged EVERY red john murder we have seen during the entire show. He fooled Patrick almost every time. Partridge is a part of Tyger, Tyger. He cleans up their mess. RJ kills him first bc he is insulted by him, bc tyger, tyger has framed him for many murders to try and catch him. Thoughts?Did Minelli start Tyger, Tyger?Have we been seeing two Kirklands or just one? It is clear, despite what Jane says about her being the most honest person he knows, that she is not. She lied for Boscoe when he killed a man, lied for jane about red john being dead, lied for jane when he helped lorelei escape, continues to give all the information Patrick gives her to others, even when she promises not to. Is Lisbon part of Tyger, tyger, working for red john, or in love with Jane?How does Stiles know RJ? Father/son, Mentor/mentee, etc?Why is their a recurring theme amongst so many characters with troubled past? Kirkland, Jane, Lisbon, Haffner, Van Pelt, Lorelei and her sister, Cho? On a show with maybe 20 characters that matter, half of them have childhood issues and almost every single one ended up in law enforcement.Why don't we know anything about Jane's mom?Why have we not heard anything about Lisbon's brother James? How the heck does Sean Barlow know Red John? And my most significant question...is it possible that Red John did not commit ANY of the murders on the show other than Eileen Barlow, Partridge and Sophie Miller? I am starting to believe that tyger, tyger blamed RJ for every murder using Partridge to stage scenes. I think he killed the people in the barn, and Jane's family, then may not have killed anyone else until just recently when it was necessary.

As per the advanced review clue that a long gone character would make an appearance, here are some people I would love to see make a comeback because they could provide more insight or because their is more about their story I'd love to learn...

Brenda Shettrick-  the dirty reporter who gave intel to Tommy Volker has some 'splaining to do.  Is she really just going to get away with all of it?

Alex Jane- I just want to hear more about Patrick Jane's past, specifically, whatever became of Patrick's mother?  We've never heard anything about her, not even a mention.

Rosalind Harker- you all know you want to hear from her again, especially those of you who recommend she pat down the suspects in a lineup.

Lorelie Martins- I've always suspected she wasn't really dead.  How the body of the supposed Martins was laid out in a carnival scene just screamed red flags!

J.J. LaRoche- he gathered quite a bit of intel while investigating the burning detainee at the CBI, but we never learned what he discovered.  He just disappeared.

Walter Mashburn- so he can be killed off and people stop saying he's Red John.

My own list of  suspects...;)  

1. Danny Ruskin
2. Patrick Jane
3. Virgil Minelli
4. Wayne Rigsby
5. Kimball Cho
6. Elis Mars


1. Someone unespected, has the same voice as RJ if you compare them, carnival days...i could write till morning why...
2. Multiple personality disorder, making fun of the CBI meanwhille killing the Tigers and using the excuse of them being RJ....
3. Powerful man and could be in touch with the Tygers, Bosco died and he disappeared...etc,etc..
4. Wayne...just because he is so damm naive the whole series, he did nothing wrong one single episode...just standing there and being naive and somehow a perfect man...a man that any woman would fell for..., and we dont know much about his past and we do not know why was he divorced with his 1. wife...
5.Cho...just the opposite of Wayne, misterious, not smiling, just standing there, unsuspicious and at first an unsignifficant character, ....there is always a what if question for this man....
6. Just because he is creepy and because of the He is Mar thing....but i dont know...i doubt..

The famous list of 7 is a fraud..so it leads me to 2 possible conclusions...IF...!
1) RJ is PJ he made the list just to catch the Tygers to kill them in excuse (some of them)  being RJ, or RJ disciples....but the real deal why he gathered them was to kill his copycats, 
2) If RJ IS NOT PJ....I  REPEAT...IS NOT PJ!!!
He has to be someone outside the list of 7...definitely!.

STILL THERE IS A BIG QUESTION ABOUT TO BE ANSWERED! Who implanted the bomb there, I think PJ would not be so crazy (IF NOT RJ) to plant a bomb and kill half of the people from the list..including putting the life of his boss, and even LIsbons life at danger because when the bomb went off if she was a little faster she would get in the house and maybe die in the explosion...on the other hand, if it is RJ that planted the bomb....HELLO, now he is blowing up things now including himself ( IF THE LIST IS REAL) ?? Thats lame to me..;) SO AS FOR ME RJ IS SOMEONE NOT FROM THE LIST....

Anyway, I AM NOT SAYING THAT PJ is RJ....but remember, he can manipulate things out just the way he wants, so it will be likely that he manipulated us at one point, just so we can see RJ the way he wants us to see him....at the end i think we will all be manipulated and scratching our heads saying...i  fell for it....just like Lisbon did, Luther did, Laroche did, Rigsby did....and others...

There is more to Red John's hatred for Patrick Jane than his comments on TV and while reviewing names of some of the episodes, one name tied in with some of my latest theories so here goes...

Blue-eyed Bret Stiles is Patrick Jane's real father blue-eyed Alex Jane.  He had to change his name due to his previous con games and the reveal of his true identity has been Patrick's hold over Bret Stiles.  Bret Stiles / Alex Jane in spite of being a con man does truly love Patrick and would not have killed Patrick's family or anybody else and thus he is not Red John.  However, Red John also has it in for Alex Jane / Bret Stiles and has been framing Bret Stiles and Visualize with the crimes that FBI has against them.  

The name of the Episode called "Red Headed Stepchild" is the one that pulls this theory even tighter.  What if back in the Carnie days, Alex Jane aka Bret Stiles had a love affair or better yet was married to a beautiful red headed woman who looked very similar to Grace Van Pelt and this woman had a son who was either half brother or step brother to Patrick  - aka "Red headed stepchild."  For no specific reason, this red headed "stepchild" was jealous of his half brother / step brother Patrick The Boy Wonder and over time the jealousy turned into dillusional and obsessive hatred for Patrick.  When Patrick went on TV as a psychic pretending to describe Red John, it was just what his psychotic red headed step brother / half brother needed as a legitimate reason to hurt Patrick which would throw no suspicion on a previous relationship between them as well as would make Patrick eaten up with guilt for taunting Red John into killing his family when in reality Red John was just waiting for the chance to hurt Patrick the best way he could!
 
To take this a little deeper and tie up a few more loose ends, what if Red John's red headed mother had a red headed daughter or younger red headed sister who was Kristina Frye.  She did make Red John mad by talking about him on TV but since she was family he did not kill her when he could have.  One last theory to tie this all up in a neat "Red Ribbon" - Remember when Grace Van Pelt said she had an aunt that was psychic, what if unbeknownst to her Christina Frye is that aunt.  Playing "If then" if Christina Frye is her aunt then that could make her Alex Jane's (Bret Stiles's) biological daughter and thus also Patrick Jane's and Red John's half sister or step sister.  I don't remember hearing about Van Pelt's mother so the red headed woman could have married her father the football coach or she was adopted by them.

Although I have my own suspicions as to who is Red John, am not naming him at this point so you can vote on the plausibility of this theory of Red John's numerous connections!  Please vote green if you think this theory is plausible!

Bruno Heller has said that Red John is not a "pathetic loser who is hiding out in a basement somewhere", and that Jane is "not fighting the Green River Killer. He's fighting Moriarty."  If we take that to be true, which I'm going to now

RJ cannot be the local cop pretending to be dumb, or the forensics guy who loves gore or the lower level FBI guy trying to make headway in a police mafia

POWER HIERARCHY from GREATEST to LEAST

1.  STILES:  he's been the most obvious and formidable player from the start but also he's OLDER, seemingly meek, and HELPFUL to Jane, so we discount him but if we're looking for outward appearance of education, class and power -- it's him
2.  HAFFNER:  I only put him this high because of his association to Stiles, who would seem to help and protect him
3.  BERTRAM:  He's Director of CBI -- BUT he answers to high authorities and sweats bullets doing it
4.  McALLISTER:  he might be Rigsby's personal Moriarty, but he's not Jane's!
5.  SMITH:  a Tyger Tyger henchman in the FBI and a killer but lacking slightly [insert sarcasm] in the social graces
6.  KIRKLAND:  DEAD -- but alas -- there's a TWIN -- who I think AT BEST would be an RJ HENCHMAN, not RJ himself because the Kirkland brothers grew up in a desperate wasteland of violence, alcoholism and suicide of their mother.  Hardly likely these boys would be afforded opportunities or education.  Bob Kirkland got into law enforcement, something a person from his background, similar to Rigsby, can do to better themselves when they come from nothing.
7.  PARTRIDGE: DEAD -- who of ANY of these people are going to take orders from Bret Partridge? LOL  Partridge is the one taking the orders.

I think it's interesting that the TWO MEN who likely have the LEAST POWER and authority are KILLED FIRST  

BRET STILES is the only one on that list that fits the bill of being a formable nemesis, though now weakened [by age or illness] and on the run from the FBI.  So, I'm going back to an older theory that I had that BS is RJ and he's had helpers,  perhaps the lower level guys like Partridge, Kirkland Twin and Smith.  Not sure though if I see Haffner as an RJ helper.  I think Stiles could be RJ right under Haffner's nose and he wouldn't know it LOL
 
Other than STILES -- the most powerful man on the Mentalist that we've actually seen is OSCAR ARDILES

Contains Spoilers

From some advance reviews of "The Great Red Dragon" we know that "a character that we thought was long gone" will make an unexpected return.  We also know that "a frantic Lisbon puts her trust in possibly the worst possible person".  I'm guessing that if Bertram dies or is injured in the blast, she will confide in a former superior about The List before Patrick wakes up in the hospital.  Remember from the preview, Jane is AT the hospital on the phone with Rigsby, telling him to "trust no one, especially those in law enforcement."  Perhaps Minelli or LaRoche is the person from the past? 

I'd love for the person to be Kristina or Alex Jane, too.  Even the little girl from the carnival grown up (healing crystal).  I guess it just depends on what "long gone" means!

Thoughts?