Dear strangers,
I came here, one last time, just to give you an advice that really saved me from the frustration of this circus called "The Mentalist" People, i just quit watching... and i feel great. Red John is not coming back.....i am instantly disliking the Mentalist.
And i am sending hate to Heller- the true Red John, that killed this series. Also i am sending a BIG hate to Simon Baker, who accepted the plot as it is. Good job,
Hi, my nickname is Theresa90, and 11 months ago i posted here a theory wich i copy/pasted lower down. I would like for you all to understand one thing. This show is a show THAT AT THE END MUST BE BASED ON FACTS. Because it is made like this from the begining.
secont thing, PJ is a person wich can hypnotize people, read minds, body language...do you think he wouldnt know about Mcallister? In several episodes, he would just know that random people are lovers, without those people even looking at him. do you think that the entire series of BODY LANGUAGE, HYPNOTIZING and FACIAL EXPRESIONS WOULD GIVE YOU MCALLISTER? people, wake up, they are playing a kon on us all.
POINT OF THIS? People, USE YOUR IMAGINATION. IF YOU USE IT; YOU CAN SEE THIS SHOWS ENDING WITH A MUCH MORE GREATER PERSPECTIVE.
My suspect is Patrick Jane. WHY? WHAT IF McAllister was hypnotized all the time, what if MAR means MARIONETTE
Why do you believe literally everything BH,SIMON BAKER and others write or say? They cant just say, hey people, PJ IS RJ. Than the series would be over
Why nobody suspects him? Because he is the main actor, cute, sexy, too positive to be a serial killer we hate at the same time....people, think about it.....
- Do you think Oscar dies just because? Lisbon said she has a date with him as a joke in front of PJ and guess what happens next.....Jane jelaous , Oscar dies..not for the first time that the persons who want something with Lisbon die right after PJ finds out.....
- What do we see in this season? Jane and a LOT of women going around him....Lisbon, Blondie, Fischer....Isnt RJ the charming one who can have any woman he want?
- And again.....Jane mentions to Blondie....nobody knows who i really am.....and that is something we dont hear for the first time....
-What if Mcallister was hipnotized by PJ? Or was a sacrifice for PJ (RJ) who wanted to get possible clues of his back?
- I dont say that Jane has a bird phobia but i noticed he is not comfortable around them, also he is afraid of heights....
- The dead psy? Well one thing i know is that when someone has 2 personalities he doesnt know about his second personality....so if PJ was there his RJ personality killed her and she was talking to the RJ personality...she probably wouldnt say to PJ...you have a RJ personality in you too....she was going with the flow and pretending to be talking to 2 persons like she never met them before...to PJ and to RJ...
- In Sophie Millers description Rj is described as a person with no living family but he has friends on wich he relies on.....so for me even this indicates on PJ...
- RJ has a narcis personality.....never saw that in TM....but is Jane a narcy? Yup...
- AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.....I WAS JUST NOW LISTENING TO THE TAPE....IT IS CLEARLY SAID THAT RJ DEALS WITH THE FEAR OF HEIGHTS? WE CLEARLY ALSO SEE THAT PJ IS AFRAID OF HEIGHTS AND THAT MCALLISTER IS NOT....I THINK THAT THE FEAR OF BIRDS WAS MADE UP BY PJ...PJ SAID THAT RJ IS AFRAID OF BIRDS....
- MCALLISTER WAS OR A RJ (PJ) DISCIPLE AND HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE TO PROTECT THE REAL RJ (PJ) AND GET HIM OF THE HOOK....OR MCALLISTER WAS HIPNOTIZED BY PJ WITH BERTRAM AND WAS ORDERED TO COME TO THE CHURCH.
- PJ GOT AWAY FROM JUSTICE BECAUSE HE KILLED THE FAMOUS MURDERER
Here are some things i would like to point out from the previous seasons,episodes....
...in the season 4 where Jane is talking to Lorelei she says why did they never became friends when they are so alike...i did not see anyone soo damm alike to Jane in the episodes
...and the face RJ drawns with blood is just like Janes face...
...why there were no RJ killings while PJ was in Las Vegas for 6 months...
...how the hell did Lorelei found him in Las Vegas?
....why was exactly the CBI dude Luther Wainwright the one who got caught by RJ...if i remember he and PJ were insulting each other the episode before...and RJ does not like to be insultet in any way..so LW ended up dead...why it was not hmmm...Lisbon? Because PJ likes her and think as a friend/crush
...and now you will ask me what are the other suspects doing in the series...and i wil tell you that they are nothing but distractions...just to keep us away from Jane in the first place....and on the other hand doing misunderstandings with PJ s mind...like for example the girl in the graveyard was sent from a disciple just to mindfuck PJ and the person with the baseball hat could be any of them...
....in the series we can see that PJ is very good at faking things...from his mental acts to his behaviour...like when he was in a verbal fight with Luther, even Lisbon believed all of that but it was just an act....
...somehow RJ is always one step ahead of PJ...wich is impossible...he knows his every move, his every tought and his every trick...
...when PJ lost his memory he was a complete different person....
...nobody did not know about the meeting between Gale Bertram and PJ....
...how did RJ knew that PJ is going to the graveyard just when he saw the happy anniversary note on his car...PJ when arrived there was not looking around for RJ, but he was looking in the graves, and why he hipnotized the girl and said to Lisbon RJ could kill her...he could instead leave her go and follow her...
...also there is a big black hole in the series when James Panzer was killed by RJ...it was a great moment for PJ to follow Panzer privately just to get in trouble with RJ as he always did before...but this time he didnt....
...why is PJ keeping all the sudden everybody away from RJ...ok, he says that if anybody talks about RJ ends up dead...but i think there is something behind that....i think that PJ usually wouldnt care that much about others and that he would try to set a bait for RJ in that way....
....why didnt RJ take for example Van Pelt, or Cho, or Rigsby in the limo but exactly Luther wich PJ didnt like so much...and why is the group VP,Cho, Rigsby and Lisbon safe for 5 seasons now...
...why did RJ wanted to "have fun" with Darcy instead for example Lisbon wich is also helping to solve the RJ case with PJ...
...how come that Christina Frye is alive but was in contact with RJ....he hipnotized her wich is the thing Patrick does...and PJ does not kill her as RJ because he liked her..
....the voice in the limo sounds like PJ...
...."does anyone know who you are?"...charlotte asks PJ while halucinating...
....i am just not sure if PJ is RJ frome the beginning or it is half Timothy and half Jane...
...i think that when RJ was thinking it was time for him to approach was the time in the mall..because he knew he has done his job but wanted jane to continue it...so jane with the mental disorder did so...but when the Jane persona was more powerfull in his head than the RJ persona then the disciples and the clues where there to mess up janes head again...
...and whats with the happy memory thingy only Pj knew ;)
.. Also Red John guessed all the suspects correct which is impossible since how would he know which people did Jane shake hands with.
...Its feels like Jane is Red John. Whether its a case of multiple personality disorder perhaps..
I cried...finally JISBON!! So cute!
We got zombiefied Frye, blowned up Styles and company, few dead people "randomly" killed as Partridge, Lorelei etc, we got Lisbon, who is left unharmed for no reason by RJ unlike the unfortunate psy wich head was chopped off (no big deal, really) and last, your familly gets killed by some psychopath, but never mind who, what, how and why because this show is about mentalism as Heller says....just great.
So, imagine this people....as this show is going to hell anyway, the best and stunning ending would be as Theresa and Jane get togather, than Theresa in season 7 discover that Jane is the real RJ, or Pike discovers it and shoots Jane. Than this whole RJ ending would be explained as we deserve it. If you combine all the facts about RJ, all you have to think about is this.....who is the covincing RJ...Mcallister or PJ? Who of them is more similar to RJ...? Season 6 is a con mans work i tell you.
So, about the Jane/ RJ scenes where he appears or talks on the phone with PJ...great explanation how, based on the movie My bloody Valentine starring Ackles....im waching it for the 2 time carefully just to point out here things that are maybe happeining in The Mentalist....Ok so this movie is a horror....an it has too much blood and extreme situations unlike the Mentalist wich is something different, i get it.
For ones who didnt watch the movie...In a small town cave-in on the north side of a Hanninger mine trapped six miners. Six days later, rescue teams found five dead miners and the comatose Harry Warden , who survived by killing the other miners with a pickaxe, allowing himself to breathe. Tom Hanniger, the mine owner's son, was blamed for the mine disaster because he forgot to vent the methane lines, but also Harry Warden for killing the miners.
This part below i would refer to the Mentalist also. The part bolded is here because i would like to show you that both of characters Tom and PJ were blamed for something. PJ was a prime suspect for killing his family and Tom was for the reason he led to the death of those people. To them both that must have some inner emotions established. Also to notice, Jane was the one in the mental hospital for some period, that also "marked him".
A year later, Valentine's Day, Warden wakes from his coma in the hospital, and goes on a murderous rampage.
Yes, Warden woke up and indeed killed half of the hospital, and by that time Tom (Ackles) was not the one killing, like in the Mentalist....my theory was that maybe Carter was RJ that killed PJ s family and than PJ had a breakdown when he killed Carter...just like Tom in the movie when was almost killed by Warden but saved by the police wich you will read under in the text....
Meanwhile, at the abandoned mineshaft that was the site of the disaster, a party is in full swing, attended by many teens, including Axel Palmer , his girlfriend, Irene , Tom Hanniger (Jensen Ackles), and his girlfriend, Sarah,. Tom was initially relucant to go to the mine party, but he goes anyway. He leaves Sarah and goes back to his car to pick up some beers before departing inside.
That was still warden killing.....
Sarah goes in alone and gets lost looking for Axel and Irene. She runs across a teen and a few seconds later he is stabbed through his eye. She is confronted by Warden in full miner's garb, carrying a bloody pickaxe, and she flees, finding several dead bodies. Axel grabs her and they, along with Irene, hide from the killer. Warden eventually sees the trio, and they run out of the mine, meeting Tom as he comes in. The killer hits Tom with the pickaxe, injuring him, while the other three run for the car. Tom spots them but Axel escapes with Sarah and Irene, abandoning Tom. Tom runs back into the mine in an attempt to escape Warden.
Before Tom can be killed, the police arrive and shoot Warden, who makes his getaway back into the mine. Tom also appears shocked by the events. Ten years later, Tom's father, from whom Tom has been estranged, dies and Tom inherits the mine. Tom returns to town after his father's funeral to sell the mine, having vanished since the incident and it was unknown where he was....
..... SKIPPED A PART OF THE PLOT WITH NO IMPORTANCE...
NOW THE INTERESTING PART....Tom is visiting his newly inherited mine. In the mine, Warden appears and forces Tom into a chain-link chamber and bends the metal latch on the door, making Tom unable to escape. Warden then murders William "Red" Kirkpatrick the miner who was accompanying Tom. Before the rest of the mining crew arrive, Warden flees, and suspicion falls on Tom, despite the fact that he was locked in a cage the entire time. Now this part is the part where Warden is long dead but still hunts down people wearing a mask so that we dont see the face he is hiding...Toms face...JUST LIKE RJ.
So you can see Tom being hit by Warden, you can see them looking each other face to...well not face but mask....you would say to yourself that is Warden indeed, he survived and now came back to kill the group one by one....and you can see "Warden" trap Tom in something similar to a cage and than go and kill the rest of the miners but....that is not true....it is very well made by the producers...Tom wich was the killer people assumed as it was Warden with the mask first killed the workers and then he trapped himself in the whatever that was...cage.
That would explain PJ tied to a chair.....he was kidnapped? Yes. Tied to a chair? Yes. But by who? Did he first kill those kids and tied himself up? Maybe.....remember, he was working in a circus...tying up himself was a piece of cake and releasing himself also...
And the phonecalls in fron of Lisbon? Imagination combined with crazyness.
The disciples talking to Patrick as he is not RJ? Well....honestly, every disciple that knew who was RJ had something crazy in his character so i wpuldnt be surprised if for example Lorelei wanted to chop the finger of PJ...i mean, those people die for him....
And yes, those unexplainable parts where we see PJ and RJ at the same time....those are the moments where the BA took their part and copied RJ or something.
If it ends up something different, thats ok.....this was just my idea of things....it was fun to write this anyway....:)
Hope our theories will come true....well atleast the ones where its not the end of RJ :)
Why nobody suspects him? Because he is the main actor, cute, sexy, too positive to be a serial killer we hate at the same time....people, think about it.....
- Do you think Oscar dies just because? Lisbon said she has a date with him as a joke in front of PJ and guess what happens next.....Jane jelaous , Oscar dies..not for the first time that the persons who want something with Lisbon die right after PJ finds out.....
- What do we see in this season? Jane and a LOT of women going around him....Lisbon, Blondie, Fischer....Isnt RJ the charming one who can have any woman he want?
- And again.....Jane mentions to Blondie....nobody knows who i really am.....and that is something we dont hear for the first time....
-What if Mcallister was hipnotized by PJ? Or was a sacrifice for PJ (RJ) who wanted to get possible clues of his back?
- I dont say that Jane has a bird phobia but i noticed he is not comfortable around them, also he is afraid of heights....
- The dead psy? Well one thing i know is that when someone has 2 personalities he doesnt know about his second personality....so if PJ was there his RJ personality killed her and she was talking to the RJ personality...she probably wouldnt say to PJ...you have a RJ personality in you too....she was going with the flow and pretending to be talking to 2 persons like she never met them before...to PJ and to RJ...
- In Sophie Millers description Rj is described as a person with no living family but he has friends on wich he relies on.....so for me even this indicates on PJ...
- RJ has a narcis personality.....never saw that in TM....but is Jane a narcy? Yup...
- AND SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT.....I WAS JUST NOW LISTENING TO THE TAPE....IT IS CLEARLY SAID THAT RJ DEALS WITH THE FEAR OF HEIGHTS? WE CLEARLY ALSO SEE THAT PJ IS AFRAID OF HEIGHTS AND THAT MCALLISTER IS NOT....I THINK THAT THE FEAR OF BIRDS WAS MADE UP BY PJ...PJ SAID THAT RJ IS AFRAID OF BIRDS....
- MCALLISTER WAS OR A RJ (PJ) DISCIPLE AND HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO DIE TO PROTECT THE REAL RJ (PJ) AND GET HIM OF THE HOOK....OR MCALLISTER WAS HIPNOTIZED BY PJ WITH BERTRAM AND WAS ORDERED TO COME TO THE CHURCH.
- PJ GOT AWAY FROM JUSTICE BECAUSE HE KILLED THE FAMOUS MURDERER
Here are some things i would like to point out from the previous seasons,episodes....
...in the season 4 where Jane is talking to Lorelei she says why did they never became friends when they are so alike...i did not see anyone soo damm alike to Jane in the episodes
...and the face RJ drawns with blood is just like Janes face...
...why there were no RJ killings while PJ was in Las Vegas for 6 months...
...how the hell did Lorelei found him in Las Vegas?
....why was exactly the CBI dude Luther Wainwright the one who got caught by RJ...if i remember he and PJ were insulting each other the episode before...and RJ does not like to be insultet in any way..so LW ended up dead...why it was not hmmm...Lisbon? Because PJ likes her and think as a friend/crush
...and now you will ask me what are the other suspects doing in the series...and i wil tell you that they are nothing but distractions...just to keep us away from Jane in the first place....and on the other hand doing misunderstandings with PJ s mind...like for example the girl in the graveyard was sent from a disciple just to mindfuck PJ and the person with the baseball hat could be any of them...
....in the series we can see that PJ is very good at faking things...from his mental acts to his behaviour...like when he was in a verbal fight with Luther, even Lisbon believed all of that but it was just an act....
...somehow RJ is always one step ahead of PJ...wich is impossible...he knows his every move, his every tought and his every trick...
...when PJ lost his memory he was a complete different person....
...nobody did not know about the meeting between Gale Bertram and PJ....
...how did RJ knew that PJ is going to the graveyard just when he saw the happy anniversary note on his car...PJ when arrived there was not looking around for RJ, but he was looking in the graves, and why he hipnotized the girl and said to Lisbon RJ could kill her...he could instead leave her go and follow her...
...also there is a big black hole in the series when James Panzer was killed by RJ...it was a great moment for PJ to follow Panzer privately just to get in trouble with RJ as he always did before...but this time he didnt....
...why is PJ keeping all the sudden everybody away from RJ...ok, he says that if anybody talks about RJ ends up dead...but i think there is something behind that....i think that PJ usually wouldnt care that much about others and that he would try to set a bait for RJ in that way....
....why didnt RJ take for example Van Pelt, or Cho, or Rigsby in the limo but exactly Luther wich PJ didnt like so much...and why is the group VP,Cho, Rigsby and Lisbon safe for 5 seasons now...
...why did RJ wanted to "have fun" with Darcy instead for example Lisbon wich is also helping to solve the RJ case with PJ...
...how come that Christina Frye is alive but was in contact with RJ....he hipnotized her wich is the thing Patrick does...and PJ does not kill her as RJ because he liked her..
....the voice in the limo sounds like PJ...
...."does anyone know who you are?"...charlotte asks PJ while halucinating...
....i am just not sure if PJ is RJ frome the beginning or it is half Timothy and half Jane...
...i think that when RJ was thinking it was time for him to approach was the time in the mall..because he knew he has done his job but wanted jane to continue it...so jane with the mental disorder did so...but when the Jane persona was more powerfull in his head than the RJ persona then the disciples and the clues where there to mess up janes head again...
...and whats with the happy memory thingy only Pj knew ;)
.. Also Red John guessed all the suspects correct which is impossible since how would he know which people did Jane shake hands with.
...Its feels like Jane is Red John. Whether its a case of multiple personality disorder perhaps..