Who is Red John?

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I'd like to think that one of two things occurs: Jane goes to jail, escapes, and the show takes on a "catch me if you can" type storyline with Jane using his smarts (much like RJ) to stay a few steps ahead. They set this up VERY well by having Abbot find out exactly where Jane was even with Jane being cautious and clever.

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Jane goes to jail, then the FBI agrees to his terms bc they are up against a mastermind criminal they cannot catch and think Jane is their only hope...and presto, another supervillian/adversary is born for Jane.

If he joins the FBI as is with Abbot's rules the show is WAY WAY too much like white collar, or House (when House was on parole) and they may as well cancel it.

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At this point I'm not even going to bother saying I'm disappointed...but what I am going to say is HOW IS NO ONE DISCUSSING THE STRANGEST PART OF THE WHOLE EPISODE...

Bertram cals patrick and says "I don't have to use a creepy voice, you know who this is." Then says, " you've got it all wrong, I'm not red john." Then McCallister says, "he didn't even know I was red john."

How in the hell did bertram know about the creepy voice if he wasn't red john and was never around to hear the voice and didn't know mccallister was RJ?

And if no one knew mccallister was in charge or that he was red john why did cordero shoot bertram for mccallister after doing everything to make sure bertram was safe? How the hell did cordero become so important? That whole scene, including the hidden bird was absolute horse shit and some of the most illogical crap I've ever seen on tv.

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My final theory: There is a red john serial killer and a red john's right hand killer (his highest disciple)RJ killed: the people in the barn, Jane's family, Lorelei, Eileen Turner, Panzer, Sandoval, Hicks, Plaskett, Acar and RenfrewRJ's right hand killed: Dr. Morning, Dylan and Ruth, Deutsch, Tinsley, Miranda Martins, Janet and Carter Peak
*Sophie Miller could go either way***Partridge could go either way, and I will at least entertain the possibility he is alive, though I think that is ridiculous**The differences are stark. RJ kills with a knife, leaves his signature smiley face and absolutely no one is left alive. The scenes are all gruesome. The other murders are not nearly as neat and clean. It is possible that the Peaks were murdered by a 3rd person and Rj subsequently had that person killed as part of the clean-up due to the dna evidence. Many of the other murders resulted in the person still being alive (Miranda, partridge, and Dylan) at least for a bit...they also had methods that were all over the map - guns, electrocution, guns, strangulation...

The person in the church is the right hand (or at least the current right hand). He sounds like the RJ that saved Jane bc he IS that person. RJ's right hand killed Dylan and Ruth and saved Patrick. This very well may be McCallister. Description fits and he is a voice actor. This will also be how the writers explain the difference in voice between RJ and that person. Basically I think the list of 7 was the list of people who could be RJ's right hand (a killer, and someone responsible for many of the murders attributed to RJ)...

I am not sure who the two individuals are, but I am 99% certain that this is how it will play out no matter who the two are...RJ clearly has an MO, it was something we were reminded of again and again with the smiley face. It was almost a taunt to Jane every single time he killed. He hired a skywriter for god's sake. It also explains the different descriptions by different people. I think VERY FEW, if ANY characters actually met the REAL RJ. I think most of them met the right hand. This also fits with the symbolism of blake's painting the great red dragon perfectly - RJ is the dragon. Tyger, Tyger is the first beast (all 7 suspects) to which the dragon gave his power, and the right hand is the second beast...to protect the first and the dragon.
People who met the REAL RJ - Stiles and Michael Kirkland, Renfrew, Rosalind, Orville, Dumar...possibly Haffner in his youth, and maybe sophie miller
People who met the right hand - Lorelei, Patrick (he shook hands with the right hand), Kristina Frye, Lisbon (abducted by the right hand), Rebecca

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Not a theory, but after watching a few older episodes, and specifically "redshirt," I've decided I'm going to be completely disappointed sunday if RJ someone on the list of 7.


In redshirt jane solves a case using at least 3 clever schemes and discovers that Doc's wife still loves him. This happens in 48 hours. If Jane kills RJ and it is someone on the list it will be bc RJ made two HUGE mistakes after making like 2 small ones in 25 years. Firet RJ shares the bit about shaking hands, then he doesn't kill the private Investigator and she sees his 3 tattoos.there is nothing clever about it. No twist. No great wcheme to teick the bad guy ibto making a miatake, just oure dumb luck. Just thinking abiut it upsets me.

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two things: i'd like to say I have really enjoyed the mentalist for all 6 seasons. it is one of my favorite shows, and perhaps other than House, has developed the main character as well as any other I can recall. That said, I think the writers went way overboard with red herrings, tricks, twists, and misinformation...so much so that no matter what is revealed there will be TOO many loose ends and suspicion to be able to work through or tie up...we have so much that is still unsolved - the RJ connection to the barn and visualize, how betram ended up in TT to begin with, what happened with Frye, why did Kirkland kill Lennon in the hospital, what happened to Michael Kirkland, why is van pelt so odd...there just won't ever be a satisfactory ending in so far as the plot goes, even after we know who Rj is..Secondly, I have seen a lot of posts about the RJ clue "or until I catch you" - is it possible that RJ expects Jane to find and kill the wrong man and then come along and arrest him? If Rj is way up in TT, then it makes sense that he believes if Jane screws up, he will be there to have evidence that Jane killed the wrong guy and put him away forever. Just a thought

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The answer is simple and has been in front of us. Please see theory 11544 for background. The great red dragon is a paintinfg describing revelations 13. The reason everyone describes red john so differently is bc there are 3 red johns. The book of revelations says there is a dragon (minelli) who gave his power to a beast that rose up with 7 heads (bertram or mccallister, one of the 7) and that another beast came forward to protect and annoint the first beast (my guess is haffner or ardiles). Each RJ had a mistress - rosalind, lorelei, and kristina frye. That is why rj is both on the list and not, why he has a different voice to different people and that is how they will explain it. In the end pj will kill the rj that killed his family, but that will not be bertram, whom he has identified and that is whybhe will become a fugitive. It is also why there are so many followers and disciples and that they are killed in different ways (poison, fire, suicide). Each rj has a specific group of followers and mo. Smiley face and knife is one rj, shootings is another, burn is another.

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Theory #11722 • By melo
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only a few hours away...let's discuss desert rose. many people have said Partridge is alive...if that is so, it says quite a few things that would be quite important:
1.) Partridge has a partner who is NOT bugged. And he would have to be one of his closest disciples (is this where Michael Kirkland makes an appearance)
2.) Partridge (aside from the partner) is also in tyger, tyger. In order for him to be alive, the entire crew that came to the crime scene would have to be TT. I DO NOT believe BP is RJ, but it is possible that another csi, a coroner, an emt, and a few officers are all TT and came bc tyger, tyger and Rj knew he was bugged.
3.) We know Rj is at least partially connected to Visualize, which means Visualize and Stiles would be connected directly to Tyger, tyger as well...is this why RJ tried to blow up the entire house with visualize and TT members + jane.
This is just my opinion, but all of this seems SOOOOO far fetched I can't even begin to fathom it. BP does not in anyway seem like the type to be taken in by Stiles. He has the lowest position in law enforcement, which would make it very hard to control people more powerful than he and to exert any sort of pressure on people like Smith, Bertram, or mccallister. I see no reason for someone like Lorelei, Frye, etc. to be attracted or drawn to him. Not only that, but the massive level of cover up and TT members necessary to facilitate his death would be extraordinary.
SOOOO the next issue is...if he isn't RJ, then 1 of two options become evident. RJ knows all about the bugs and knew where BP was (and why the fuck he was there) and left is phone somewhere where he should be to cover it up. This implicates Van Pelt, as she would have to tell RJ where BP is and let him know he is bugged. Orrrr...someone not on the list is RJ, is not bugged and simply followed BP to the location. Still, the question is, why did he get called to that location...I am not ruling out that BP was a double agent for RJ and TT...or that someone in TT told him to be there and RJ got the info from van pelt...

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