hey my friends. my choose is haffner. doesnt matter. ı have a question. what do you think for tyger tyger group?

red button: Red John in Tyger group
green button: Red John has a another group or no group.

Thanks!

What makes the best 'payoff,' and what 'rewards' as a viewer would we like to see in this last red john episode? for starters, i hope we get just a bit more on the visualize connection.

i don't need much more detail on the blake association. the way reede smith indicated that members 'never know' who is contacting them, and just do what is asked, makes the blake association the perfect tool for red john to influence people and do favors -- whether a member or not. for example, he could contact a law officer he knows is a member, have them 'erase' the problems of a potential disciple, and therefore have another tool at his disposal. all red john had to do was find out about the organization and its codeword/workings -- not be a member. regardless of who is revealed to be red john, the 10 year killing gap can be explained not as a gap in killing, but simply a gap in revealed evidence. red john could have been using the association to cover his tracks in that period, until either a falling out or a swell of pride made him more likely to reveal his victims.

i feel like the most feasible final 3 at this point are bertram, haffner, and mcallister. 

bertram: if he ends up being red john, 1 'payoff' is that he 'played dumb' about poker, which would show his powers of deceit. he quoted a blake line. another payoff would be how red john has tried to get patrick 'on his side.' revealed as red john, bertram has the satisfaction of saying something to the effect, 'see, patrick? you've been working for me all along." the single biggest reason i don't think it can be bertram is that patrick gave his name to the press/authorities. jane has always said he wants red john for himself. and i feel like the 'you've been working for me all along' thing is a bit cliched.

mcallister: if the sheriff is red john, we get to marvel at how he was able to anticipate jane's moves in order to lose every time at rock/paper/scissors. we get vindication for the creepy factor he exuded when approaching van pelt in episode 2 season 1, and his eerie discussion about hunting in episode 3 season 6. he can gloat about saving patrick at least twice. and we get the 'zombie twist' of having been told he was dead, only to see him rise on the third day and hide easter eggs. wait, that's somebody else...i guess i ultimately have less of a problem with his reveal as red john than i would with bertram, but i still have a gut feeling that maybe those early circulating pics of nick nordella were jumped on by mcallister proponents, and ignored by fans of haffner, whom he could also portray.

haffner: if ray is red john, we'll probably get a clear visualize connection. he fits the physical description (whether you believe rosalind harker or not). he has the surveillance experience to have been a step ahead of patrick and APPEAR smarter than he really is. his 'i was willing to work with you on this' line after being fired in season 4 can have symbolic implications of red john trying to get jane on his side. if even remotely intelligent, his experience watching stiles would provide haffner some of the skills necessary to further learn how to manipulate people. he's demonstrated the conceit and self-centered nature a serial killer would need. and his reveal would give the show the final 'twist' of not only the 'resurrection,' but the fact that he somehow planted the tattoo evidence with the private investigator, which feels more like a red john to me. big negatives against him being red john include seeming to be dead in the explosion, not being there from season 1, and not having the perceived gravitas of xander berkeley.

i'll be happy with either a haffner or mcallister red john reveal, though i feel that haffner gives the biggest jolt at this point. whichever suspect it is, i've had fun on the site. musing about theories was a fun way to explore the show's 'world' while waiting for the next episode.

i hope patrick jane kills red john, and paints a smiley face with a big 'X' through it. what do you hope to see in the last red john episode? 

I am the only one on the site who does not know who Red John is.  However, I am going to point out some issues that need to be resolved, and any Red John Theory should address these. Some are from this season, some from past seasons.

How is Red John Connected to Visualize?
We know there is a connection.  Bertram doesn't seem to fit that.  If it is Bertram, his connection needs to be explained.

Why didn't RJ kill Lisbon?
Ok get ready for a crazy theory. Heller said there was a very specific reason that happened.  What if Partridge is RJ with an accomplice? Knowing that if he left Lisbon alive everyone would focus on her,  Partridge faked his own death and killed his accomplice. Talking point: When Patrick was speaking with RJ in this episode it showed RJ painting Lisbons face with the blood.  This means one of two things: RJ was not talking on the phone or the scene on tv was not shot in real time.  He also knew that eventually PJ would check the shoulder so for the Tyger mark so he cut it off.  I know, too loose and not definitive enough.

Why was Patrick so sure that RJ killed the PI personally?
If he is indeed in charge of the Blake Association then he could have just sent someone else to do it.  This would mean that one of the suspects without the tattoo would still be a suspect.

What happened right before the scene with the explosion, why was there a gunshot?
Who shot at who?   This will definitely be explained.  This leads to a follow up question, how did anyone have time to fake their own death with another body? Logistically, how did it work?  I think that Bertram is too obvious and the Mentalist likes to have twists.  This means that, assuming Reede is out, someone faked their death.

So the only person to me who can really tie this whole thing up is Partridge.  However, I don't see a reasonable way to explain his death, so he is out.

We know they are going to keep us guessing until the end, so I don't think it is Bertram.

Reede Smith is out.

So it has to be between Stiles and Haffner. However, a while back Stiles said "I know more than you or Red John could ever imagine." This seems like something RJ would not say, he is too proud.  So I am going with my gut all along, Haffner.

I probably missed some things that need t be explained, let me know in the comments

TRUTH BE TOLD, i still think the biggest clue of all is the interview with the unnamed actor who played Red John in 6.08.

We are making theories here, aren't we?

If you saw the episode and knew who really is Red John please do not share (Heller's Theory) with us it's not yours .. Let's have at least these few days of PURE Theories.

P.S. Gonna miss this site and the great discussions

My last post of the night. I was thinking about what someone said earlier, that there are a few hundred of us "obsessed" with this show and the theories and a few million that are watching more leisurely, and a twist for them may not be or need to be as intricate as what we are all discussing. I'll lose a lot of people on this next comment, but I'm not going to dive too much into why, but I am eliminating all but McAllister and Hafner.

I think for the average viewer out there, BP is truly dead and wont accept him coming back. They have to rule out Bertram and Smith after last episode. Stiles is too old. Kirkland didnt know the list of 7 but RJ did. This leaves Tom and Ray.

So the audience already goes in wondering if someone else survived the blast.

I go with Hafner because McAllister is shown in the promo and I got to think that's intentional. It seems to me the best twist for the general viewer will be to reveal Hafner. Yes partially that is me wishful thinking. I want to see him in that kill scene with Jane in the park.

I also like HappyCools "Handshake theory" that eliminates all but Hafner, but I think that theory is somewhat flawed too.

Ok first of all unless CBS people are complete morons they wouldnt reveal who RedJohn is in the promo. Also promo's are basically parts of the next episode cut up and put into different parts made to trick us.
   Now if I remember correctly Jane finally meets RedJohn in a park so whoever showed up in the church isnt RedJohn. More likely a RedJohn accomplice.  Im willing to bet that that Bertam and McAllister are not Red John. Neither is Bob or Michael Kirkland, Rigsby, Van Pelt, Stiles, CBI Ron, Minelli, Mashburn or anybody else not on the list.  
     Is Brett Partridge RedJohn? Maybe? Possibly? However I doubt it. Did McAllister survive the explosion? It certainlly does look like it. That doesnt mean he is Red John. In my opinion it actually proves he isnt Red John. 
     There is something you all are forgetting. Red John has already been to Jane's house and really could return anytime he wanted. This is my theory: The whole reason for RedJohn to kidnap Lisbon was for the sole purpose of bugging her. That way RedJohn can stay a step ahead of Patrick. Now since Lisbon is bugged and she was with Jane most of the time Im willing to bet that he knew they were meeting at Janes house very early on. Since he knew where jane lived RedJohn simply could have went to Janes's house early in the day and planted the bomb. Now I ask you out of the 5 suspects who is the only one with the knowledge of wiretaps and survellience??? Raymond Haffner.  As far as the tattoo goes RedJohn is to smart to be caught with a tattoo and probably faked it to fool Patrick.  Raymond Haffner is RedJohn.