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This is a re-post of my old theory, hoping to reformat the post and correct grammar. If the reformatting fails, then I give up on this site.


The identity of Red John. This will be written as a persuasive argument rather than purely evidential analysis


First, Bruno Heller has been quoted as saying the astute observer will figure out Red John's Identity (no citation).Although I don't have a link for where I heard that, we should take it as an invitation to apply our minds to discover Red John's identity. 


I will walk you through several things and I'll start with Red John's personality. This will be referenced as part A.A)



1 - He has the capacity to be "the greatest man I've ever met." (Quote from several of his disciples, one being Rebecca, the woman who killed Bosco's team.)



2 - He is skilled in espionage, a conclusion that can be derived from all his moles scattered about the CBI and FBI.



3 - Red John believes in transformation. This is evidenced in the way he turns his disciples. Lorelei tells us that she cannot be hurt because she's already faced her greatest fear, losing her sister (unbeknownst to her, at the hands of Red John). It's as though he recognizes that deep personal trauma is what is required to change someone's personality.



4 - Red John takes extreme vengeance for personal attacks. This can be observed by the punishment he brought down upon Patrick. He elects the deepest kind of suffering for his victims.



5 - Red John believes that he is part of something greater, some kind of righteous idea. There are several references to this, one from Red John himself when he offers partnership to Jane in the season 4 finale, "it's a higher path Patrick, a nobler existence." Rebecca also explains that Red John is on a higher mission. He Also hates "cheap imitations," of his work.



6 - Red John is truly attracted to Rosalind Harker in a special way. One thing that can be noted regarding Harker is that Red John never actually uses her to achieve an end, like he did with Rebecca and Lorelei. In fact, Red John (to our knowledge) hasn't even told Harker that he is Red John. In addition, Red John lets her live in harmony. All of this on top of the fact that they were lovers.



7 - His original trademark killings were highly intimate. He would kill his victims by slicing their throat (in his early days he used a stun gun as well). Also, he specifically targeted women. This indicates that he has some hatred towards women.



8 - Red John loves to play games. When he kills the man who threatened to reveal his identity in Mexico (the infamous "he is mar" incident), he calls Jane and laughs. That's it, he just laughs, a true show of immaturity in his victory. His mind games are also readily apparent in his dealings with Jane. Just look to the poem "Tyger Tyger," to see this.



9 - Red John is rich. While not really a personality trait, it is still relevant. This is a conclusion that can be arrived at by several facts: he can give people new lives and has power in high up places. You don't get that power without money OR you don't have that power and not use it to get money.
After analyzing Red John's personality, finding him in the cast will be much easier to do. However, first I would like to analyze his transformation. This will be referenced as part B.B)



1 - Red John has himself experienced trauma. (Evidenced by A3) 



2 - That trauma was at the hands of a woman. (Evidenced by A7) 



3 - That trauma also changed him into what he is now, a serial killer. (Evidenced by A3)



4 - The trauma also produced a coping mechanism, a belief that the trauma changed him for the better. In psychology, this is called reappraisal. In order to deal with terrible hardship, we have to believe that the events worked in our favor. In Red John's case, the trauma put him on a "higher path." (Evidenced by 5)
This is how our serial killer was produced. This knowledge will also make it easier to identify him in the cast.



Let's analyze a particular character in the cast and match him up against Red John. The character I will be analyzing is Walter Mashburn.



1 - Mashburn is rich, matching up with A9.



2 - Mashburn was left by his fiancee that he was deeply in love with and it changed him, revealed in season 3, episode Red Hot. This matches up with B1 B2 and A3.



3 - Mashburn took revenge upon the man who stole his fiancee, Yuri Bajoran (Red Hot), in the way that gave Yuri the deepest suffering. Mashburn forced Yuri to sell him his "baby," so that Yuri would wake up every morning knowing that Mashburn had beat him. This parallels with the punishment Red John put down on Jane, and also matches up with A4.



4 - Mashburn's fiancee looks like Rosalind Harker, particularly their hair. A very interesting observation is that the actress for Mrs. Bajoran looks extremely different than Mrs. Bajoran. They changed her hair length and color, even her eyebrow color. In fact, they changed it to the point where it looked similar to the actress who plays Ms. Harker. Why would the creators go out of their way to change the actress' appearance so much for such a minor role that got maybe five minutes of screen time? Unless the purpose was to allow the viewer to draw the similarity in appearance. Here are two links that show you the two women: Harker: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2009/03/alicia-witt-to-guest-star-on-the-mentalist/Bajoran: http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/veevr.php?id=SWJLvhSyf (this is the red hot episode)This demonstrates that Mashburn has the same taste in women as Red John and matches A6.



5 - Masburn is extremely charming. This is evidenced by Lisbon's attraction to him (super tension) and his wife's description of him. This matches up with A1.



6 - Mashburn has an immaturity about him, a type of childish boredom. He also continously expresses the desire to be the killer in particular cases and tells Jane all he has to do is catch him. This matches A8.



7 - Mashburn excels and is experienced in corporate espionage. During his takeover of Yuri's business, he demonstrates his ability to turn people against Yuri and use them to spy on him. This ability to manipulate matches up with A2.



So far, we see that Mashburn has the catalysts needed to turn into a serial killer, the same catalysts that can be deduced from Red John's personality and behavior. 


Replies to anticipated objections.


1 - How come Jane didn't figure this out already? Red John is highly intelligent. Furthermore, we know that Jane has met Red John and not figured it out, so someone has slipped past Jane's analysis. Also, Red John would have to hide behind a persona so that Jane's analysis would pick up the persona rather than the Red John hidden inside. The persona Mashburn uses is "bored billionaire," although he assures Jane that he is "ruthless."



2 - What about the infamous "he is mar?" The dead man did not have blood on his hands and he is not facing the writing. The writing was not finished, so the conclusion is that he did not write it. The girl, however, her hand rests underneath the blood trail coming down from the R. In addition, she is facing the writing on the wall. This means that, "he is mar," has to be describing Red John in such a way that someone who did not know him would describe him from seeing him. This narrows down the possibilities dramatically from what the dead man could have written. He is married is the most likely possibility and the only way she could have known that he was married is by seeing a wedding ring! Mashburn wears a wedding ring despite not being married. Maybe from his emotional commitment to Mrs. Bajoran. Jane also wears his ring from the marriage with his dead wife (just another parallel between Jane and RJ).



3 - Mashburn isn't in enough episodes! He only appears in season 2 and 3.This link: http://reviewbrain.wordpress.com/2012/04/18/currie-graham-interview/ Reveals that Carrie Graham (actor for Mashburn) is in contact with a writer for the mentalist and may be seen again in season 5. Also, "We love Currie Graham aka Mashburn and we hope to have him back." - from a 2011 post. https://twitter.com/mentalistwriter/statuses/114530049964781568



One random note on Mashburn's behavior. In redline (season 2), Mashburn asks Jane in the end, "Did Lisbon really think I was the killer?" (Earlier he expressed sadness when Lisbon said she thought he might be the killer, as if it really hurt him to have her think he was capable of such a thing). When Jane replies, "Yes, but don't think much of it," Mashburn shuts the door, turns around and smiles. One might ask, why in the world would Mashburn smile at something that previously made him sad? The answer, I believe, is that he was really asking, "Did YOU think I could have been the killer." I think he was asking to see if Jane expressed belief in him being a killer, and of course Jane made it obvious that he never suspected Mashburn. The fact that Jane didn't suspect Mashburn for a second brought him joy, to be so close to Jane and totally avoid his suspicion, what an accomplishment for Red John. This is the only explanation I can think of to account for Mashburn's smile.



A few observations1 - Mashburn has played dumb for Jane before. In redline he says to lisbon, "you have a damaged intensity that is very attractive." He knew that Cho liked motorcycles with seemingly no data. He knew that Lisbon had trust issues. Also, Mashburn analyzed himself from Jane's perspective, meaning he was well aware of what personality he presented to Jane. In red hot, Mashburn says, "it's amazing how this man reads people, I wish I had the skill," (he says this in a confident self-assured tone).



2 - Mashburn has said you can get away with anything if you plan it right to Jane's face. In addition, he told Jane it would be cool if next time they met, Mashburn was the killer.



3 - Mashburn said he had friends in power, the sheriff's department... the mayor. What's interesting is that in the episode entitled "Red John's Friends," we discover that Red John is friends with a sheriff. Different sheriffs albeit, but still a parallel.



Trivia1 - If Mashburn is Red John, then he murdered Jane's wife and slept with Lisbon, Jane's two loves. (Jane has said that he loves Lisbon in the season 4 finale.)



2 - Red John has his own particular "sound," that is exclusive to him. One example of the sound is in this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgvXfZK9dnw The sound occurs at 1:59. Here is a better example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqVYNtTso4 and the sound occurs at 3:05. It sounds like "dun dun dun dun." To me it sounds like four strikes of a low note on the piano (I have no skill in music whatsoever and have almost no ability to identify instruments from their sounds). In fact, if you can identify the instrument or synthesizer or whatever it is making the sound, I would be grateful. This sound that is only played for Red John and can be heard in the background of red hot. Here's the link: http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/veevr.php?id=SWJLvhSyfThe sounds occur at 30:56 in a slightly different tone and in super low volume (obviously to somewhat mask the parallel). The people I've shown this to (people with greater musical inclinations than I) agree that it has the same rhythm, etc. Red John's sound is played during Mrs. Bajoran's explanation of how Walter changed when she broke his heart (the story of the creation of Red John). These sounds are what first made me think of Walter.



3 - Walter gives to charity. Higher purpose?



I hope my argument has persuaded you. I welcome debate. 


I will post my observations for subsequent episodes inside the Walter Mashburn theory list. 


Here's the first set of new observations: 


So, it seems that everyone on that Visualize farm had some kind of delinquency issue. The preacher said he was, "on the wrong path." Lester had, "trouble with the law." Visualize gathers people who are broken, seeking hope, or any other weakness they can prey on. It's likely that RJ was a delinquent (as he was young) and had entered into Visualize (many people have pointed out this possibility). 
As for our list of RJ suspects, might I point out that Walter Mashburn was a delinquent. He was in reform school and his teachers thought he was, "incorrigible." He also had issues with his mother, probably disciplinary issues given that he referred to his mom as, "Mr. Mashburn." 


Based upon the actor's age, Mashburn would have been ~20 in 1988 which makes it quite likely that he would be referred to as "some kid." Also, it seems that particular description of RJ in 1988 indicates that he was young, Jane says under 30. The actor for Minelli would have been ~39 and the actor for Bret Stiles would have been ~44, not likely to be called some kid. I'm pretty sure that's crushing evidence against the Minelli theory and the Stiles theory.


It might also be important to note that RJ's next known killings are in 1998, ten years after his 1988 killings. My opinion regarding this gap is as follows: RJ was on the wrong path as a delinquent, probably psychopathic or nearing it at this young age. He may have even engaged in animal torture while on the farm (one of the McDonald Triad of common traits in serial killers, along with bed wetting and fire starting). Somewhere along the line, he decided to kill those two men. Given that they were tied up and not just killed, I think they were at his mercy, probably because the killing was personal and planned, not just spur of the moment. Maybe revenge for them wronging him for some reason as they were delinquents on speed. Anyway, then it seems to me that RJ went on the right path somewhere thereafter in such a way that removed his need/desire/journey to kill again. (Like going to college and starting a company called Mashburn Avionics. I can't help but relate back to my theory, but there are probably other explanations relating to other characters that I haven't explored yet.) Then something happened that sparked the killer inside of him 10 years later and begin to target women (notice the two victims in the barn were not women, the pattern of killing women occurred later), which I believe was Mashburn's fiancee leaving him (unfortunately they haven't given us that timeline to check it for certainty). I believe the killer was birthed in that barn and held at bay until another catalyst awoke it anew. 


As for Ray Haffner, you guys all think it's extremely obvious he's under RJ's command right? Or at least under someone's command to help cover for RJ.


What do ya'll think?

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i got this thought from watching 'red barn' eps, what if red john consists of two persons? the first one could be the father or something, considering its way back in late 80s, and after that he was murdered and then red john jr continued his legacy... so the most likely suspect doesn't have to be old

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 -I think that Red John may be Bret Stiles' son, who broke away from him around 1988. 
-Quite possibly Walter Mashburn.
 I think Lisbon is afraid it may be Mashburn, and that is why she looked so anxious to know the names at the top of Jane's list.

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It's been a while since I've seen mashburn. I think he fits rj well except for a couple if things.

A. As far as I know no hands were shaken between him and Jane
B. Jane likes him and it was implied that Jane doesn't like rj

I think mashburn is good because he surely has the finances, he enjoys and admires Jane, he gets bored easily which could lead to game playing like rj does he fits the right age group soft voice constantly looks for thrills. He thinks being a murder suspect is thrilling.

I'd like to talk about some of the other suspects mentioned here though. Haffner is a good one. But doesn't he seem like he's a bit out of no where? I know he was in that one earlier episode which they did shake hands but wouldn't you feel this guy is a bit dumb to compete with Jane? He has his visualize connections but so does a bunch of other good suspects.

Kirkland doesn't work at all if you ask me. How could loroeli know that Kirkland shook hands with Jane she was locked up in a maximum security prison no connection to the outside world. He may be connected though this his interest in loroeli. Maybe he wants to kill her?

Stiles is silly. This guy is followed constantly by media followers and even the FBI he'd be caught by now.

Jane could work but I would hate to see that happen. Plus heller stated he wouldn't

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Walter Mashburn - Fits all the given clues, while rich and able to exert influence he would have limitations where money isn't the soul power, this would explain how Bret Stiles could have info about his doings and feel now fear of giving them out as he would be an equal and possibly bigger organization. My view is that I see alot of good writing possibilities around him being RJ and I think he is a developed enough character to fill the role but not be disappointing as RJ. 

Bret Stiles - as stated above he seems to have indicated that He is aware and knowledgeable of RJ and his organization but that Jane and RJ game is small time and a bit childish, this could be to throw jane off his scent but with Stiles also being Older and I don't believe he and Jane have been seen shacking hands when they met.
I think from a writing standpoint if Stiles is to be RJ then RJ would be an organization with multiple people doing the deeds of RJ, I think this could be well written but could also be a bit of a disappointment.
CBI Ron/Background Character - While I have no evidence that they are not RJ from a writing stand point I would hope that we aren't given RJ as out of the blue, I'm very much expect and hope that when Bruno Heller compares RJ to Moriarty it infers that we will know RJ as a character in some fashion and not just a face. 

Any of the Women on the show - RJ is consistently by those who speek about him as a man, and RJ seems to have a way with women and an ability to sway them, I just don't see this as possibility. I don't see how to write away for any of them that seems overly plausible or that won't disappoint. 

Brett Partridge-I get the since that RJ had his eye on Jane from the very begining (im basing this on the sceen with Alexa Shultz talking to Kirkland in the limo at the start of Janes carrer.) When Jane meets Partridge the do not like each other, do not shake hands, and I feel like RJ would never be so brash and unlikeable even for appearance sake. Plus It would just be disappointing if thats how the write it, even with filler information about the character.

Kirkland - I say no, strictly because too obvious and he met jane after Loreli was in Jail so she would have know they had met. 

bertrem/laroche/minelli - Mostly I put these as not viable because of the way they have been portrayed in the show, while they have a few clues to support them, they have all worked closely with jane and seem to be able to be manipulated by jane. Plus I just frankly would be disappointed to see them as RJ.

After Thoughts - Scenes that make me why?

Whats with the Poker game, it seems way to prominent and a bit unnecessary even for the episode where Lisbon used her connection to get a warrant. Plus Bertrim seemed to be taken aback when Lisbon was there.

Of course the Limo scene with Kirkland and Schultz, it seems way to obviously a clue and like they are just flat out telling you they have some nefarious agenda. I will say that it bumped up the idea that maybe there are more than one secret organizations at work here or having a power struggle and Jane is seen as a way to resolve the conflict.



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i believe walter mashburn is red john. brett partridge seems more like a fanboy, too obvious, and not "mature" enough to be red john. if he were, it would be child's play and not "grown-up" squabble between he and jane. i don't believe the real red john would even mention himself, let alone gloat about red john.

+ mashburn seems split personality. one moment he is enjoying the moment, the next saying something very analytical
+ he and jane get along very well
+ he wore a red turtle neck (which i think was their way of teasing us, whether or not he is red john)
+ he slept with lisbon, which would upset jane because jane is obviously close to her and cares much for her (red john is always looking of ways to torment jane, like kidnapping kristina fry and doing whatever he did to her)
+ red john has to have big time connections and money; walter has both and has admitted he has both (a way to gloat because red john may not be obvious, but it still egotistical)
+ mashburn is bored and will do anything for a thrill, probably even kill
+ when red john saved jane from those kids in the last episode of season 2, he asked him "do you know who i am?" this, to me, indicates that red john has already met jane in person as him real self. anyone he has met before the end of season 2 could be red john. mashburn is in this list, having appeared in season 2, episode 13.
+ red john and mashburn share certain qualities, such as being a womanizer
+ mashburn is very interested in jane, unlike most people who find him annoying, and inquires much about his mental capabilities
+ red john is always one step ahead of people; mashburn was one step ahead of yuri bajoran


when he was trying to blow him up and left the room to "flirt" with lisbon just before the bomb went off
+ jane and mashburn get along like bffs could just like lorelei said he and jane should be bffs from the moment they met
+ jane and mashburn have similar personalities, as do jane and red john
+ mashburn is intrigued at the idea of being a suspect or the killer, a quality that someone who enjoys murder and mystery as much as red john would not be able to hide
+ in mashburn's first episode, i believe he nearly made a slip up when he said he had done a background check on jane and "you lost your wife and kid to a serial killer, your fault...you think;" the change in voice tone from "your fault" to "you think" indicate that he was making a correction, so as not to giveaway that he himself thinks it was jane's fault; this could be because he is red john and leaves responsibility on jane because he wouldn't have killed them had jane not said what he said or it could simply be to not insult jane because he is sympathetic of his loss, though it still remains his fault
+ when talking about how jane manipulates people's minds, he says it in a complimentary way - "you play mind games with people. you size up their weaknesses, and then you give them the rope to hang themselves"
+ mashburn says he "hates being ignored;" obviously when red john feels he is not getting the attention he deserves, he takes it
+ after saying he "hates being ignored," he says he is "cunning, ruthless, and hates to lose;" red john has come to see this squabble between he and jane as a game, a game he is always one step ahead in and always wins; when he doesn't win, he gets very upset and plays hardball
+ red john wants jane to join him last season; why? looking from the perspective of mashburn, he probably wants someone to "play with;" it's no fun alone; a man like mashburn needs not only supporters, but also partners
+ they have made mashburn a very loveable character, much like jane; it would be upsetting for him to turn out to be red john (unlike partridge who is so obviously cold that not many could possibly like him and a lot even suspect him of being red john - red john is not obvious, he himself would be insulted at such a thought)
+ jane is not stupid, but i think they pulled a fast one on us; in jane suspect notebook he flips the page quickly to the next two pages; i think this is because the first two pages has the true red john; mashburn is listed on one of those first two pages
+ when red john makes a physical appearance, he is tall and well masculine built like rigsby or mashburn, unlike partridge; he has young posture, unlike brett stiles
in this image: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110217055161/thementalist/images/0/0e/Computer-reflection.jp...
there is a computer reflection in the 7th image; it is said to be jane in this image, but it is possible it is mashburn, since mashburn and jane has similar features, plus they made it where you cannot see the hair (jane is curly, mashburn is spiky)

just mashburn's personality and behavior alone, i believe, is enough evidence that he is red john. somehow, the smiley face connects to the true red john (whether it be mashburn or someone else). i believe that is the true key to finding out who red john is.

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I think Walter Mashburn is the most likely to be Red John. He has money, power and connections (to get into the CBI network for example). Jane has been told a couple of times that they are very much alike (by Rebecca and Lorelai): they're both charming and manipulative. They shook hands too.

The clues given are the followings:
1)Red John is most likely a man;
2)He appears to be a Caucasian, and is a white person as described by Haley:
3)Red John has an average height: Rosalind described him as "just under 6 feet tall";
4)Red John has short straight hair (as described by Rosalind Harker);
5)Red John either has or puts on an odd, high pitched and soft voice;
6)Red John should be older than 30 years (since his murders date back to the 90's).

1)Mashburn is a man.
2)Mashburn is Caucasian and white.
3)Mashburn has an average height.
4)Mashburn has short straigt hair.
5)Mashburn has a soft voice.
6)Mashburn is older than 30 years.

Also, in 1x11 Renfrew writes on a wall "He is Ma" with his own blood just before getting killed by Red John. The last letter is not clear, but it could be a "s".
John seems to have an interest in Lisbon too, in fact he asks Jane for her head in the season 4 finale; in 3x07 Mashburn sleeps with Lisbon.

If Walter Mashburn is not Red John, then my alternative is Virgil Minelli.


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