I'm disappointed that it looks like Red John is actually on the list of 7 and will be revealed only 8 episodes into the season . . . then the show is gonna jump 2 years into the future ?? There has gotta be more to this than it seems I just hope it's killer and that this season doesn't tailspin like Heroes or LOST and ruin the series as a whole

Alın size Red John Kim' in cevabı,
Red John, anonim, mutasyona uğrayan bir seri katil formu. Aslında hiçkimse, şöyle ki esasında bu oluşum içerisindeki amaç birliği yapmış herkes Red John. Aralarında statü sorunu olmadan birbirlere devredilen bir lakap. bunun en büyük kanıtıda amerikada kimliği bilinemeyen ölülere verilen "john doe - jane doe" lakabı. JOHN herhangi bir erkek , RED ise kan kırmızı yani katil olduğunu gösteriyor. bir nevi anonymous erasers yani kimliksiz siliciler, batmandeki güç dengeleyiciler Ra's al Ghul (arapça şeytanın başı) gibi. Kısaca red john sanal bir karakter, bir örgüt.
Saygılarımla,
Cyper
Red John is anonymous character, all of them (had a tatoo) are red john. This is morphic serial killer but these have a purpose for that. a lot of Killing jobs have a lot of red Johns some ones die (jane killed him a real killer- remember child smells fine) some ones still living.

Everyone ages. Soft skin goes loose and rough. Baldness occurs later in life if you have the gene. Pounds are added as life increases. All these can be factors that have altred the view of Red John in our eyes. It's perfectly natural to age over a ten year time span of mass killings. I don't care how good you are, if the stress doesn't get to you right away, it will show in your body later in life.

That being said, is it possible we are all looking at this from the face value, present time frame? What if the descriptions we've been given of Red John by his discriples are those that occured years back and not now? We have no way of knowing if Red John dressed up or altered his appearance for Rosalind Harker...after all, she is blind. She wouldn't know the difference. Occam's Razor I feel applies here. The simplest explanation is likely the most correct. We are basing our facts about Red John of possible red herrings, faulty memories, inreliable witnesses or accomplices, and not the simplest explanation. What if Red John is none of these? What if he dressed differently when he saved PJ at the end of Season 2 than when he would videotape/spy on CBI and send them footage, or for Rosalind Harker?  Do I have the answer? No. I'm just trying to figure it out like all of you and discern the red herrings from clues.

Some things I think we should think about, since I haven't seen them brought up in many theories lately.

1) What about the last episode of season 5, where Red John said he'd be killing again, often, until he catches PJ or vice versa. Where are all these killings? We have no way of knowing if RJ actually killed Kira, he didn't slash her like usual victims. Lisbon was saved when Patridge was killed. I expected more classic RJ murders. Where are they?

2) How the hell did RJ read PJ's mind about the childhood memory? This still has not been touched on. At all.

3) RJ is getting sloppy. Too sloppy for someone who knows he's being hunted. I would have thought he'd be more careful since any slipup is a clue for PJ. And we know how pissed RJ was when he found out PJ learned of their handshake. And that was one clue after ten years.

One last thing. Christopher Nolan vehemently denied any rumors or speculations about Ra's al Gul's daughter being Talia in the Dark Knight Rises. What happened there? I'm not prescribing to the Patridge-not-dead theory, or the twin theory of the Kirklands, or the RJ-is-not-on-the-list theory...I'm just saying that anything goes. And Heller will intentionally mislead us the way RJ or PJ does. Was Bertram not bald at some time? Did Stiles look substantially younger 10 years back?

I'm hoping that the reveal will not be a let-down and all our questions are answered. A nice, clean closure a la JK Rowling's final Potter book would be excellent.

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Have a look at the paper copy at this link: http://damnitjane.tumblr.com/


So we now definitly know:

- its one of the seven
- he led the group

omg i am so dissappointed. There is absolutly no twist, no surprise. But then the question is: Why did he kill one member of his own group? (Partridge..). Would only make sense if Partridge is RJ himself.

From this paper article it seems to be clear, it is Gale Bertram. It fits in the story:

- was there at the season 3 finale (would be a great flashback moment); could set the trap for jane. jane already suspected him.

- Smith to Bertram: "Do something about it". Many thought: So Bertram is not the leader, but isnt it normal that "kids" are pleading their "parents" to do something?

- The scene with lisbon and kirkland in the office. Would fit perfectly if Kirkland is in fact Michael Kirkland (would be a great flashback moment)

- he quotes William Blake. Everybody thought that this was too obvious, but perhaps just because of that, it`s him. Don´t think complicated :)

what doesnt fit:
-Rebbeca in Season 1/2 ? smiling at RJ in the dungeons. Everybody would have recognised Bertram. But perhaps it wasnt RJ but another follower of him and Rebbeca just thought it would be him.


What are your thoughts about it?
I think it is him; would be really dissappointing because not really unexpected, but at least i want great flashback moments (showing why RJ was ahead all the time or how RJ reacted in certain situations; sitting at Rosalind, killing lorelei, predicting the list, observing Jane etc., would be a great scene)

lots of these theories rule out the suspects because of their age, hair
and appearence, but Jane knows Red Johns general appearence and voice,
so why would he put them on the list in the first place?

Going back

"Just call me Roy"

One of the first ciphers that kids learn is this "letter number" cipher. You replace letters with a number: A=1, B=2, C=3, etc

Roy - 18-15-25

John 15:18-25  (NIV)The World Hates the Disciples18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’[a] If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[b].

Make of this as you will, I find this bible verse interesting

Jacobs theory said Gabe Mancini had 666
"he is ma" is "he is Mancini
6x07 promo Jane says that Red John is one of the officers
Robin Tunney would be really surprised if it was him
Brought in on a Bruno Heller episode
Everybody looks at Reede Smith but they don't see the real man involved

Tagliaferro is Italian like Mancini