What bugs me is not the choice of RJ, actually i liked McAllister, but its the presentation of the whole thing.


here is how it should go down:

after jane is in the church on the chair talking to Bertram, Bertram denies being RJ bla bla....suddenly you hear the door behind Jane close, and the BOOM "in that soft RJ voice" .."how are you jane, bla bla ..." 

you see a front shot of jane in focus while RJ is back there blurred coming forward as he talks, then that cop dude kills bertam in the precense of RJ.

then you see a shoot where RJ is right behind him and closes down on him sloowly as he says the tyger thingy ..........



its all in vein now, but i seriously loved the show, but the last episode was like it was directed by e newbie  

And we have some closure, finally!

I had a feeling it's McAllister since the list has been given to us, but I couldn't connect him to Visualize. At the end, it didn't matter obviously, because we didn't get an explanation about this.

I really loved this, eight, episode! I can not understand, why are so many people angry and dissapointed. I thought Bruno Heller did a marvelous job hidding the real Red John until the last second. Because honestly, before this episode, there were still a lot of suspects, and it was tough to exlude anyone, even Partridge, Haffner or Stiles, who are suposingly dead, as was Sheriff.

I agree that Sheriff was a minor caracter, but in this season, he has been there, we saw him many times, he even had a episode dedicaded to himself.

I like the choice, really like. And it makes sense, he was there from the beginning, so Heller wasn't making something up during seasons.

I am really interested what's going to happen now, I hope Patrick and Teresa finally come together, because it's obvious they really care for each other.

A lot of people are asking why McAllister would deny being Red John - IMO the answer is simple, to see if Jane could tell he was lying. He looked him right in the eye and lied (and yes, Jane could tell)

I do have a bit of a love hate relationship with the whole pigeon thing. I love it in the sense that it shows us that Jane knew McAllister was RJ and that he would reveal himself in the church.  I hate pretty much everything else about it though. Lets be generous and say Lisbon planted the pigeon along with the gun so it was already there in the church, a gun strapped under a pew could go unnoticed but a pigeon? I don't think so. There is no way its going to stay quiet and still and wait patiently to be thrown in the face of a serial killer. And if the pigeon was hidden in the church with the gun, why use it at all, its only purpose (aside from telling the audience PJ knew who the real RJ was) was to distract him long enough to grab the gun. I guess its a nod to stage magicians pulling doves out of hats (or whatever) but there is no way he's concealing a live pigeon under that suit, especially not all the way from the park. I guess we have to go with willing suspension of disbelief on that one.

The other reason to hate it of course is the "Big Clue" from episode 1, the house full of pigeons was supposed to be the clue but at the same time its also the reason to discount McAllister as a suspect because he wouldn't have been in a house full of birds when he's afraid of them.

All in all, the only thing that really disappointed me about the episode was the choice of suspect. Prior to being on the "the list", he appears in 1 episode (as a red herring for the real killers too!)  for a total of like 5-10 minutes of air time. He's a total throw away character. But of the list of 7, only 2 have been there since the beginning. I would have preferred it to be partridge just because he was in more episodes. It seems unfair to the audience to make RJ be such a minor character that's never seen again until after the list is revealed. I guess Bruno Heller wanted to make it someone no-one suspected. Not a single theory on this site even considered him until after the list.

I see 2 possibilities for how RJ knew the names on the list. First, its a fairly standard mentalism trick, they show patrick demonstrating the basic principle in season 1 - when he asks Lisbon to picture a shape inside another shape and guesses correctly. Derren Brown did a similar thing in one of his shows - it was a fake ghost hunting thing and they showed how he selected the participants (basically excluding anyone who didn't pick the things they were being nudged towards, leaving him with only the most malleable people), they were given an array of photos and he talked to them while they looked at them, they were supposed to be identifying the ghost or something and most picked the same picture (I did too at home).
The other option is more mundane, its a simple matter of deduction. RJ knew what clues PJ had, they had all the same information its not a total stretch to think they'd come to the same conclusion.

Maybe it doesnt matter now, but fuck, look straight into McAllisters eyes. Creepy as hell.
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Okay, so just to be clear, I'm not complaining about who Red John turned out to be. I truly think the whole McAllister as RJ thing could have been a great story. Really, Patrick Jane beating McAllister at rock-paper-scissors when they first met provided some brilliantly subtle yet potent and chilling (in hindsight) foreshadowing. Surprisingly, Xander Berkeley did a pretty good job coming off as deranged and creepy but still intelligent enough to pull off what Red John has pulled off. There was so much there to work with. Unfortunately, the end of the story was so rushed and so poorly told. That's what left me feeling so disappointed.  

It only makes sense that if you spend five seasons setting up your story -- leaving cryptic little clues, giving your audience background information, slowly adding pieces to the Red John puzzle -- you need to spend enough time on adequately finishing that story. You need to connect all those clues to McAllister's history and spend more than ten minutes doing so. You need to show your audience how perfectly all those pieces fit together. You need to commit to and sell the story you settled on and make your audience believe that it really was McAllister all along. 

I personally think it would have been cool to spend this season showing the most important parts of the story from McAllister/RJ's point of view. Flash back to what happened at the barn. Show me how McAllister came to be connected to Visualize, and while you're at it, tell me exactly what Bret Stiles knew about the whole thing and how he knew it. Devote time to showing me more about McAllister's interactions with Orville Tanner, Rosalind Harker, Michael Kirkland, Timothy Carter, Lorelei and Miranda Martins, etc. Explain the significance of the "Roy Tagliaferro" alias. Show me McAllister's therapy session(s) with Sophie Miller. Tell me exactly what chain of events led to the creation of the Blake Association. Don't just tell me that McAllister is Red John, show me how and why McAllister is Red John.

I honestly think this could have been a great story, but the execution was just plain sloppy. Great job setting it up... but the ending (the last eight episodes) was so, so poorly done. It's a shame. 

i think it was a fitting end, i am glad they chose someone who appeared from the 1st season to be red john. tho i think the real intention was for it to be timothy carter from the end of the third series but as someone said it was all down to money and the network wanting to keep ratings up,

all in all i am happy with  the conclusion and to all the people who still dont think its actually over it is the rest of the series continues 2 years in the future and has moved on from the red john events, and to be honest who really wants the red john story to continue it has been 6 seasons now it needed to be wrapped up and not dragged on any longer

i just hope this doesnt cause the series to be cancelled any time soon

all in all i have enjoyed the ride and am overall happy with the conclusion tho for me i wanted red john to be bob kirkland i enjoyed how his character was played

i think it was a fitting end, i am glad they chose someone who appeared from the 1st season to be red john. tho i think the real intention was for it to be timothy carter from the end of the third series but as someone said it was all down to money and the network wanting to keep ratings up,

all in all i am happy with  the conclusion and to all the people who still dont think its actually over it is the rest of the series continues 2 years in the future and has moved on from the red john events, and to be honest who really wants the red john story to continue it has been 6 seasons now it needed to be wrapped up and not dragged on any longer

i just hope this doesnt cause the series to be cancelled any time soon

all in all i have enjoyed the ride and am overall happy with the conclusion tho for me i wanted red john to be bob kirkland i enjoyed how his character was played