Question: why do people here believe every quote Bruno heller gives is true?
He has said RJ was one of the seven suspects when asked. If RJ is not one of the seven what answer do you give to that...? "No he's not on the list, just skip the first 7 episodes and watch the reveal"?
At the end of the day heller will be judged on the plot, not his honesty in interviews.
It's in his best interests to misdirect us every way he can.
Kristina Frye.
She's the only living "witness" of Red John. We just assume she went to the loony bin after Red John "did something" to her to cause her to become "crazy". I'm pretty sure that PJ would have the skills to get her to snap out of it... if she was, in reality, out of it. Wasn't there another episode where PJ helped a victim who went through heavy psychological trauma to finally remember?
We know that RJ killed PJ's wife and daughter because he was offended that PJ would be so bold to pretend to be a psychic in public. Frye is challenging Patrick. Her skill is so good, that he just can't figure out how she does it. She even seduces Patrick to the point where he seriously considers moving on from his dead wife to start a relationship with her. "Red John" is obsessed with Patrick. "He" wants to replace his family with "himself".
*She has a deeper voice for a female. Watching the video where Patrick is tied up in the chair... could possibly be a woman's voice pretending to be a man.
I hope they explain what happened to Kristina. and why red john didn't kill her same with Lisbon. I have feeling she is probably Red John's sister. Explains why she knows a lot about who died and will die.Jane said on the TV show about red john living with sister or mother and a lemon tree by the house. could be a guess he did or could be true.
Guys i'm not psychic but i dreamed an idea after watching the last episode of The Mentalist...I think Red John is Kristina Frye because she is the only one who appeared on The Mentalist and was smarter than Jane.Do you remember when she said that Jane's daughter was sleeping when she was killed by Red John.We all know psychics don't exist so how can she know the fact that his daughter was sleeping.
Another thing is...The best way to be ruled out as a suspect for Red John is to be killed or in her instance to be kidnapped by Red John by the way her body was never found.
And another thing is i think Rosalind Harker is maybe her sister.I think she is lying about Red John every thing she described was a lie.
I thinks the list of seven is a lie to put us off the path of finding out who Red John really is.Frye helped a lot of people with her "psychic powers".A lot of them i think were powerful and she could have easily known about the tyger tyger group and frame them.
One time i think she even defended Red John and justified his doings.
The last thing is that killing duos like red john started are most of the time made up by a male and female killer something like Bonny and Clyde.I think this is the answer why Red John first sidekick was a male cop.
PS. To all who belive in the list of seven....Its defintely fake because they all look like they could be Red John and if you watched crime movies or series always the guys who didi it is the one you least expected.BERTRAM IS REPORTING TO SOMEONE AND HE IS FOLLOWING ORDERS RED JOHN DOESNT. SMITH ALSO FOLLOWS ORDERS AND HE IS TO FAT.THE SHERIFF IS TO LIKEBALE AND HE ALMOST SWORE THAT HE ISN'T RED JOHN RED JOHN IS PROUD OF HIS WORK AND HE RED JOHN WOULD NEVER DO THAT BECAUSE HE IS PROUD OF HIS WORK.STILES ALREADY HAS A CULT AND RED JOHN ALSO HAS A CULT AND HE IS DYING SO IF HE IS RED JOHN JUSTICE WONT BE SERVED CAUSE HE WOULD HAVE DIED FROM NATURAL CAUSE ANYWAY.HAFFNER ADMITS THAT HE IS DUMBER THAN JANE ANOTHER THING A PERSON THAT IS FOOL OF HIMSELF WONT DO AND WHO IS OFFENDED BY SOMEONE WHO TALKS BADLY ABOUT HIM ON TV.AND THE ONE THAT WAS MOST LIKELY TO BE RED JOHN THAT IS BRETT PARTRIDGE IS DEAD IF HE ISN'T THAT WOULD OFFEND THE PICTURE OF A GENIOUS THAT WE THINK PATRICK JANE IS!!!!
PPS. WE ALL KNOW RED JOHN IS SMART SO A SMART KILLER WOULD CONFIRM HIS LIST OF SUSPECTS ONLY IF HE KNEW HE WASN'T ON THE LIST OF SUSPECTS OTHERWISE IF HE REALLY WAS HE WOULD HAVE KILLED PATRICK JANE.
For next week’s episode
the Great red dragon is a Bible reference and painting done by William Blake who wrote tyger tyger
http://www.discoverrevelation.com/Rev_12.html
Below is from the site
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in
heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and
seven crowns upon his heads.
We see here this "red dragon". This is the devil,
and he is shown red all over to show his murderous and destructive personality.
This is the only place in the New Testament that dragon is used. Here it is not
a literal "dragon", but a figure of Satan. (Satan)
These seven are heads of evil governments. This world power,
through these earthly kingdoms, comes from Satan himself.
Interesting!
pretty cool how it has 7 heads like the list.
So in that scripture is red john all seven heads? Or is someone out of the 7 controlling the other six with the 7th being red jon? Or is there a seperate person controlling all 7?
If RJ is on "THE LIST," I'd go with PARTRIDGE [presumed dead but not] [which I think is a lame choice] or KIRKLAND [because of newfound TWIN revelation] [being a better choice] -- mostly because both of these men match descriptions the best. And then there the whole BRET STILES IS RJ'S FATHER possibility -- or that STILES is involved somehow.
HOWEVER: outside of THE LIST, my favorite suspect was Ellis Mars. Until today, when another suspect caught my eye [though also "psychic" like Mars] after I read a post about RJ using hypnosis to make 7 suspects all act like RJ. I realized several things!
WHAT IS JANE'S #1 RULE?!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PSYCHICS!
WHO is ONLY person to make JANE break HIS OWN RULE : KRISTINA FRYE. She beat Jane at his own "fake psychic" game. UPON FIRST MEETING -- JANE DID NOT LIKE HER, but....
What's the perfect way to scam a scammer? INJURE THEM -- and then COMFORT THEM. Kristina reassured Jane when she claimed his wife told her that his daughter never woke up to feel pain or know what RJ did, gaining his sympathy, making him CRY -- eliciting emotions and manipulating him because Jane WANTED to believe it [the alternative too horrifying to imagine]. And Jane should really know better because...
JANE FELL FOR HIS OWN GAG -- [the very tricks he used on others NOW being USED ON HIM [PURE BEAUTIFUL IRONY] BECAUSE --- he's as emotionally vulnerable as anyone he ever counseled or preyed on in the past -- and while his "fake psychic wing has been clipped," so to speak -- Frye is still strong, flying high as a con artist -- and she succeeds in creating a "transference" -- whereby Jane will associate feeling closer to his wife and daughter through her [even though she's likely the one who HAD them killed] [BRILLIANT].
KRISTINA [means a Saint who was tormented by her Pagan Father] FRYE [child or offspring]: clearly, Kristina Frye is likely the illegitimate child of a very powerful man, like say Bret Stiles, perhaps?
Now, getting back to Jane's perception of KF, and subsequently ours, too -- we're made to believe perhaps she really IS a psychic -- or at least a healing, kind woman -- and maybe even a suitable romantic match for Patrick!! They were like dating, right?! And Kristina tries to talk to RJ, fearless in her good deed [BALONEY]. But then, oh, no -- RJ kidnapps FRYE and puts her in "catatonic" state --- and she's reduced to a helpless victim [MORE baloney]. When Jane did a seance/hypnosis to test FRYE -- and got nothing --- thereby rendering her performance as "genuine" --- it's worth noting that Frye is the ONLY character in the ENTIRE MENTALIST history that 1) successfully manipulated Jane and that 2) JANE COULD NOT READ. Because...
IN SEASON ONE, EPISODE 7:
Jane was sure that Kristina Frye was the killer of a wealthy woman run down by a car --- as deceased woman left Frye all of her money and had been paying her thousands every week for "psychic" readings. BUT despite Jane's best efforts -- HIS MENTALIST TRICKS DIDN'T WORK ON FRYE. He could't get her to crack or show anything. At the end -- the woman's daughter admits to driving the car that ran her mother down -- a little TOO easily, if you ask me. The girl breaks down and the case is solved. BUT I THINK KRISTINA HYPNOTIZED DAUGHTER to do the dirty work, to give herself away.
Also -- I wrote about SEASON ONE CLUES to RJ's IDENTITY in #8676 yesterday, and then I read a post where someone suggested that RJ has been using the seven suspects on the "List" to make them all ACT LIKE RJ at one time or another through hypnosis. So, GETTING BACK TO THEORY THAT RJ IS MANY PEOPLE -- but not because they are willing in it [like they are inTiger Tiger] -- but because they are being hypnotized and USED when RJ needs them.
TWO THINGS I KNEW FOR SURE: 1) HYPNOSIS WAS BEING USED and 2) RJ connection to REDHEADED WOMAN but I OVERLOOKED relating this to the 7 suspects as I'd gone off thinking RJ was on the list -- until I realized that A repeating PLOT THEME from SEASON ONE is the missing puzzle piece: A WOMAN USING MANY MEN to kill for her.
Episode 3: TEENAGE GIRL kills to protect a group of teenage boys. THEN, boys kill for HER.
Episode 8: a WOMAN HYPNOTIZES men to kill for her, [including her sister]. She also puts Rigsby under her spell.
Episode 21: A CON WOMAN, who CHANGES IDENTITIES to con men out of money. BUT a smart mentalist woman like Kristina Frye -- could just use OTHERS to BE HER IDENTITY, changing people as needed. What a brilliant disguise.
WHAT if the man Lorelei knows is separate from the man Rosalind Harker knows? If these two women genuinely know these men -- but the men are separate -- it truly makes it much harder -- especially if these men are used only for a short time as pawns in a scene that RJ is trying to create for PJ -- going back to their usual normal everyday identities when she no longer needs them -- them never knowing what they just did having been under hypnosis. A game carefully orchestrated.
So, just because Jane accepts that Frye is a RJ victim doesn't mean we have to -- and who knows what he's really thinking -- perhaps he knows he'd have to wait a long time to really catch her. That the trap he'd have to set for her would be to "play" along for a while.
SEASON ONE CLUES and Kristina Frye: She's a...
REDHEADED WOMAN
PSYCHIC
probably USES HYPNOSIS
FOOTBALL -- "ROLL TIDE" might be a "key word" in hypnosis
However, there is still much to be revealed. I have a feeling I'm at least hitting on some truths but likely there will be twists none of see coming. At least, I hope so. I don't think, as much as anyone enjoys theorizing, that we want to 100% completely figure it out. I hope to be surprised with things I didn't think of, but it's fun to guess in the meantime. CHEERS!
1. Only character who has outsmarted Jane so far on the show.
2. Never has been outsmarted by Jane.
3. Only person who Jane could not be who he wants to be.
4. A woman (So possibly Jane would not suspect).
5. No way RJ could have lured her out in S02 coz she is not that dumb
6. With skills she possess, who could hypnotize her to that extent as in S03
7. Manipulative, Could have hypnotized anyone to do the killings for her.
8. Comes from a rural area.
9. Since she possess the same skills as Jane, could have been from the carnival.
10. Many possible ways to make a lot of money and connections.
11. Van Pelt's curiosity and admiration when Kristina did a psychic reading on Jane.
12. Van Pelt desperately wanted to meet Kristina alone.
13. Most of the calls that come to the CBI about case either comes to Cho's/Rigsby's/Lisbon's desk. The one that Kristina made was directed to Van Pelt.
14. Has a posh house apart from her own place.
15. Managed to escape the house when the total house was on guard.
16. Roll Tide only known to Frye, PJ and the waiter.
17. As Loreli says reads peoples mind without an effort.
18. Van Pelt's anger when PJ kept teasing Kristina Frye.
