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Virgil Minelli

Virgil Minelli
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props to all on this site

some of the theories/ideas here are really well thought out and in some cases so intricate, they could be part of a Hercule Poirot plot penned by Agatha Christie

but here's the rub   (ala PJ)

The show on Sunday is what, 40-45 minutes long?  This ensures we will not have the time to

1.go through and explain to the viewer, Bret Styles' illegitimate child who was adopted by the American football coach, who had an adopted daughter who then joined law enforcement, whilst being groomed by her true, newly found father - or father figure, who so happened to be a murdering psychopath. etc etc etc etc
 
or 2, explain pigeons, the gormless CBI Ron, bringing back Walter Mashburn, 

 
or 3,  to build up a real back story, and I mean real one, for most any of the suspects.  The only ones who have any type of time invested in them, and mainly this season only, are:

Sheriff Mac  (1 episode in S1 and a good run in S6)

Reede   

Haffner - only a little really considering he has been there for several seasons - he has been brainwashed by Visualize? maybe, fancies Lisbon

Styles - oh yes, we know a lot about his story - he is a maybe- manipulator-power crazed-deluded-, but too obvious....it is going to be a shock and Styles ain't it, because it wouldn't be one

Kirkland - Dead and Bob was my first pick before he was shot to bits by Reede  (he was investigating RJ and Tygey Tyger himself)...an evil twin at this point would be a let down - unless it is a mainstream character we know already...even then a twin angle would suck

Bertram - obviously scared for his life...not him...PJ using him for diversion - and what do we know about him...hates losing at poker......He is very high up in Blake Association but don't know who RJ is.

Partridge....a ghoul yes and probably a Tyger Tyger follower (as per death scene)  but what is his motivation?  what do we know about him?  not a lot apart from getting owned by PJ every time he sees him...RJ's ego would not allow that.

But the back stories for these guys are still not enough

A question I ask you guys is this:

Do you think RJ (whoever he is) actually set up Blake Association?  Reede says something like, he then found out he had done work for a serial killer (the Rebecca death).-so maybe he believes RJ is the head of BA
Or is the BA just a bunch of corrupt officials, law enforcement individuals covering each others asses, whilst making money and power moves

maybe RJ found out about this group and was using them to his advantage, without revealing himself.
Remember Sheriff Mac (BA follower) said he hunts anything with a face....RJ hasn't got one...yet

If this theory is true then it makes sense that he himself is an official or in the CBI or FBI or DAs office
Someone with stroke to do things quickly.

I don't actually think Haffner, Styles or Sheriff Mac are toast either.  How did the other guys survive without hardly a scratch?

Nope...... PJ saves Sheriff Mac, Haffner and Styles and gets them out of there......remember the high speed car leaving as Lisbon arrived at PJ's house in Mailbu..that was Sheriff Mac helping PJ to release Bertram (the distraction) and Smith the drug addict press-ganged into joining BA and committing multiple felonies along the way.

so back to our 40-45 minute episode.
someone comes back
beloved character
someone in authority with the stroke to do things quickly

Ergo (I always wanted to write that here)

VIRGIL

just an idea, but would be a satisfactory and believable finale...no?









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I posted Minelli theories 2 weeks back, reposting them. as now ppl are getting rid of lame ideas finally.

ok guys, first of all, kudos to heller for creatng such a marvel


and to baker for such a lively and impeccable portrayal of jane. now to


business here.

   so what do you think PJ is? a wannabee kid


detective who would wait for the clues in a treasure hunt to fetch the


biggest motive of his life? and what would yhe creator of the show


think? they make sure his plan is revealed only in teh end of even the


pettiest of his tricks and this is the magnum opus of his life.....and 4


people other than him know it.....wow......i dont buy it and it makes


for a boring chase as well i think. 
also, you think rj being rj, is
still going to be lured by pj into all these silly tricks..like showing
his 3 dots to a person right when the heat is on and that person has
had a contact with cbi..and do you think pj thinks so lowly of rj tht he
will commit such rookie mistakes which btw he dint commit when he was a
rookie

      so jane is playing the big strategy in this masterful chess game to trap the king..



the biggest move he has made imo to date is the list of fake rj suspects,


not the one he gave to kirkland (or planted) but the one he showed to


lisbon......i think he requested lorelei (mybe) to shoot that vide tape for him


when they were together and he put those 7 names there just to confuse


everyone around him..and he promptly destroyed the dvd which is


suspicious...so i think he is just confusing everyone else and even rj


if he is too active ion bugging his space..and eventually he would say


this is the man i knew from before was rj and just wanted to trap him as


he was so clever......and my vote is on Virgil Minneli..


1- 
minelli has been brought twice in the show after resigning and both the
times they meant something (at least the santa episode). why bring a
busy artist to work when thr cud have been 10 ways pj cud have got that
list..and in tht episode minelli said and i quote "thanks for opening my
eyes to some ugly truths i had been avoiding like being  fish
killer".....obviously he needed to resume killing people as rj......much
with the vacations.....also, "you're nuts my freind".

2- minelli
went on vacation just before the mexico killing. aybe then it was a red
herring as it was the first season but en the writers knew they'd get
more seasons they'd say "why not use that bit when its faded from
memory'

3-  they shook hands in episode 100 flashback.

4- 
he is well connected and powerful and has a charismatic personality and
is also a renowned actor. now comeone u dnt want rj to be played by
some dummy actor..

5-  once you warm up to this theory, u'd read mcuh between the minelli lines..

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I've finally changed my mind - not Kirkland

It is Virgil

There since series 1.
Beloved character
right height
soft voice
stroke within CBI
Knows the systems and protocals(bugging offices/phones etc)


Importantly- time to do his dirty work and manipulate others from the comfort of his "self enforced" retirement
emotionally attached to Lisbon

I know Jane reached out to Virgil in S3 regarding JJ Laroche's suspect list.  Hmmmmmmm

woud be a shock

but for me

It is Virgil

ps..Lorelei never met him...just another proxy on RJ's behalf....maybe Haffner


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Why is everyone saying Bertram is the head of the Blake Association?

Don't you remember Reede Smith giving him an order? A leader doesn't take orders

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red john is " Virgil Minelli " .. if this picture of Red John :http://thementalist.wikia.com/wiki/File:Possible_RJ_escape.jpg

here Virgil Minelli profile :http://thementalist.wikia.com/wiki/Virgil_Minelli

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I had been writing theories how it was Minelli but people dint warm up much..so I surprisingly started to drift towards Partridge..but the balding figure in the church looks so much Minelli-sque.....search my minelli theories please and comment..

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I recognize the voice from 6x08 promo to be Virgil's. (" the game is over and I've won)

What do you guys think?

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