I've been enjoying following this forum for years, and this is the first time I've posted a comment.

I was holding out hope until the very end that we'd find out that Thomas McAllister as Red John was a really 'long con' and we'd finally have closure for all those unresolved clues. I told myself, '2 episodes are enough - it could be done in 2 episodes!' then, '1 episode is enough - it COULD be done in 1 episode!' When I finally had to accept there'd be no closure I was pretty disappointed.

It sounds to me from reading Bruno Heller's TVLine interview that Peter Roth at Warner Brothers forced him to prematurely end the Red John storyline at very short notice. Obviously Bruno Heller had to say that in a nice way in an interview, but I'd like to think he was as frustrated about it as many of us are.

I'd LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to Bruno Heller and ask him what his intentions were with many of the clues, for example, 'He is Mar'. I felt pretty certain that was going to turn out to be Marcus Pike, and maybe he'd REALLY be Michael Kirkland! I'd like to think Bruno Heller actually DID have intentions for all of those clues, and didn't just think, 'This will be an interesting clue and we'll worry about resolving it later!'

I've been reading the thementalist.wikia.com and there ARE actually some good answers there to clues I didn't think were ever resolved, for example, Bob Kirkland killing Jason Lennon has always bugged me, but I think there's a pretty good answer for that on the wiki.

I've heard that after a divorce it's healthy to 'grieve for what might have been' so I guess that's kind of what we're all doing by posting to this forum. It's certainly been therapeutic for me to write this post!

Now if someone wanted to make a really awesome spin-off, take Abbott, who is moving to DC, and White Collar's Peter Burke (who contemplated moving to DC in the series) and make a show about them.

Red John is Dead. It was McAllister. It is what it is. 

    For five seasons this show was constructed and written with thought and meaning in the smallest of details.  Everything had its place and had a purpose and as we watched we felt like we were a part of something special. Sure there were things that maybe seemed out of place at the time but they were there for a reason, we assumed. It was like watching a master carpenter working on a beautiful piece of furniture or a great painter working on a masterpiece.  Every motion had a deeper meaning and it was up to us to be involved and ponder what could be next.   Then the last 2 seasons.....  No meaning... no purpose... no direction,  but yet we still tried to find the meaning or the purpose in what we watched.     To me the master carpenter that took 5 yrs to construct a beautiful table and just as it was almost done ready to lay the magnificent top to finish an heirloom decided to run down to Home Depot for a piece of plywood and nail it on for the top and go all done...  Or Imagine the painter who has labored for 5 yrs with every brush stroke and just about to complete a masterpiece like the Mona Lisa and looks down sees a box of crayons and decides to draw a smiley face and go all done.  WTF did I just watch.

I don't think "The Mentalist" is a fitting or appropriate title anymore [for what this show has become in the end].

So, I came up with a few ideas of my own that I think work much better:

"The FBI Bride"

"Three Fake Psychics and a Baby"

"It Happened One Night By a Duck Pond"

"The Lady Cop and the X-Ray Vision Tramp"

"The Deadliest Pigeon"

"How to Get Away with Killing Four People" …..or "One Flew Over Extradition"

"From Here in a Normal House...to an Eternity in a Shack"

and my sentimental favorite:  "The Man Who Threw a Pigeon, Choked a Chicken…and Settled down by a Duck Pond" ...also called "Three Birds of a Feather…"

The saddest part of this story ending…that didn't even get ONE MENTION…completely forgotten….has got to be….
'The Loneliest Couch"  

Gosh, I really do feel sorry for that ole faithful leather couch -- and I've really come to see now that the relationship Jane had with that couch was one of the more profound relationships of the whole show.  Don't you think?  LOL 


Please add your own ideas….the more the merrier.

What a waste of time the last 2 seasons have been.  That was a fine example that writers and producers have no idea where their show is going long term or just don't stick with it. what a joke. 

I agree. Never watching another Bruno Heller show (Gotham or anything else) again. Waste of time & no payoff. Go into writing soap operas.

Lamer than lame two seasons. Warner Brothers executive 'convinces' Bruno Heller what is best for the show & Heller says it was genius for him to think of revealing Red John as some small town sheriff with no similarities to Patrick & ending the Red John story arc early. It just shows that good talent still has to bow & kiss ass to jackasses who retain their position in Hollywood through seniority &/ or mental dementia due to old age.

Patrick Jane's father was Lorelei's stepfather & that is Red John / Same Actor. Stoopidkid pretends to be the originator of that theory, but it was my wife & I who knew it the night it aired & not months later after Stoopkid bugged the hell out of me to reveal it & then takes it as his own. Patrick Jane & Red John even used the same color tea cup! American men are not known for drinking tea & listening to Classical Music & Red John knows all about some memory from Patrick's childhood?

Plus doesn't it seem obvious that Red John kills Lorelei on a carnival storage lot with a spotlight he is trying to show who is the real star..... father & not son?

This show went from great to shit soap opera love pandering. Gag & vomit a little.