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For those who missed the leaked episode, I  posted some random wtflol moments from  the episode, it's just too much fun !

Abbot: Boy this is a mess, huh? A biig mess.
Rigsby: Look, I don't m---- 
Abbot (interrupts him): You can talk later.

(seconds later)

Abbot:  ... don't know what the hell is gonna happen next.
Lisbon: I f----
Abbot (interrupts her): So let me explain what's next. (trolling since last episode)

(later)

Bertram, in a gas station, calls Patrick from a payphone.
Bertram: Hi Patrick, you know who this is, I don't have to do the funny voice, do I? It's weird huh, because the last time I---
A policeman spots Bertram, he drops the payphone without saying anything. Cardero, who was trying on some new glasses from a sunglasses stand, shoots the cop while wearing the glasses (topgun style). Bertram then grabs a bag of chips and gives it to Cardero as reward. Then they leave. Patrick is still on the phone...

(later)

FBI raiding Jane's "secret" place.
Random FBI Agent to Abbot: Clear sir!
Abbot: *poker face* No kidding.

(a bit later)

In the parking lot.
Van Pelt to Lisbon: Where's Jane?
Lisbon: Don't ask.
Cho: She just did. B-)

(later)

Jane, in the park, buys a phone from a random stranger (Nick Nordella credited as Young Man) so he can safely talk again to Bertram without being traced.
Bertram: I think we should meet and talk. Just the two of us.
Jane: Like a date?
Bertram, laughing like a retard for 3 seconds: Yees...NO!

(later)

Jane, followed by the FBI, steals a car. After hitting with the car two other cars in an attempt to escape, FBI takes him. Jane then begs on his knees Abbot to let him go. Meanwhile, Lisbon, Cho, Van Pelt and Rigsby arrive to see the scene. 
FBI Policemen to Cho: FBI, back it up!
Cho: CBI, back it up yourself! (*Cho's badass this episode*)
Then, they let Jane go. Just like that.

Rigsby, Van Pelt, Cho and Lisbon are then held in an SUV.
Randomly, Van Pelt starts banging her head several times on the window next to her in an attempt to get an FBI agent's, attention. (incoming epilepsy attack wtf?!)

(later)

At the church.
Bertram confessed to Patrick that he is not Red John. Then he tells Cardero to shoot him. Instead, Cardero shoots Bertram who, before falling on his knees in a funny way, is like: "Heyao", then falls Hollywood drama style.
Thomas Mc enters randomly in the church.
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after some conversation:
Patrick: Gotta show you something. *takes hand with full of crumbs from the pocket and hands the crumbs to Mc. Then he takes with his other hand a fucking pigeon from another pocket and puts in in Mc's hand full of crumbs.*
Mc: *epic face* *epic face* *epic scary face* *yells like a bitch*
Patrick takes a gun from under a chair nearby and shoots Mc who drops his gun.
Mc: Please don't, don't kill me. You're not like me, you're a good man. *RJ begging is like whaaat. Also, last sentence contradicts the symmetry thing from the poem...*

(after some conversation) Random woman enters the church and tries to stab Patrick with a knife. Meanwhile, Mc, after taking a bullet in the stomach, flashes a bit faster than Usain Bolt through the park in an attempt to escape from Patrick. But he runs fabulous sissy style (Patrick too) and is finally caught and strangled by PJ, not before Mc attempts to call 911 for help (wtf is wrong with this guy).

The end.

Sorry for my English and hopefully we will not see this on Sunday.


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Regarding the leaked lame excuse of a reveal episode .. If you watch it until the last of the ending credits, you will see the final screen where all the copyrights are listed. There you will find also the production number of the episode. The production number was 3x7954 and belonged to episode s05e04. So there is hoping that the leaked episode is not the real one.

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I think we agree that the explanations about how Red John made ​​everything he made, is ten times more important than his identity, right??

So Bruno, don't disappoint us with this crap Red John episode We've seen.

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So...yeah, it's out there alright.  Finally found it online.  NO SPECIFIC SPOILERS, but the main problem isn't who RJ is, rather it's how they wrote and approached the confrontation.  There are lots of great connections and reasons to think this guy is Red John, in fact I did just that over a month ago, but they don't take ANY time to explain it at all.   Not a single moment to say - of course this is RJ, and here's ABC reasons that led me to that conclusion.   If someone had ONLY watched this season then this episode would be fulfilling, but it pretty much ignores and doesn't answer anything before this immediate arc.  Truly disappointing approach.  You won't hate it, you'll just feel...meh.   They seemed to have lost their passion for RJ along the way and just decided to wrap it up.   

I can say that all those people claiming it's online are correct.  It's real, no network would allow production the money to create a false ending with multiple locations involved.   It's 100% legit.  It's also not a true rough cut as there isn't an editor's timer to mark scenes.  It's done.  This is the episode, only with a few minor sound issues and a start timer at beginning.  If you want to see it, check other comments on this site, that's how I found it.  Took about an hour.  

 


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You know, I think I was right. This huge pile reminds me what happened in Lost. It was totally fuck up, and I think the same is happenning here.
Everybody who see not just watch could guess that it was an organization. No surprise.
God, I wish I have never been watched the first episodes...
Who is R.J.? I really don't care any more, I do care what will happen to Jane. That is why I stick out.

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So

- Partridge indeed always was just an idiot, there was no story behind it.

- Haffner indeed always was just an idiot, there was no story behind it.

- Stiles indeed always was just a nut job cult leader, there was no story behind it.

- Kirkland indeed always was just a complete nut job, he even killed the only one able to identify Red John in the search for Red John. There was no story behind it.

- I have no idea who Bertram was, but he indeed just turned into a complete nut job and went on a killing spree out of nowhere. I have no idea how to come up with his story without lots of drugs involved.

- The guy writing "he is mar..." was indeed just an idiot who couldn't write just the name of his killer but wanted to make a poem out of it or whatever. There was no story behind it.

- Red John was indeed the leader of a secret organization and wanted Jane to lead the CBI into investigating his secret organization. To make it easier, he marked everyone with three dots - including himself. Well, at least he had no Red John smiley tattoo on his forehead.

Can we get the background story of the pigeon now?

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Why does everyone assume that Bret Stiles has a personal connection to Red John?
Or that he know him at all?

I haven't rewatched the episodes since they first aired so maybe it isn't strange, but still, I can't remember this.

Can someone tell me WHY he would have something to do with Rj (being his father etc as many believe).

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