If I am Red John then who are the rest?
If I am Red John then who are the rest?
I would like to point out that there is a 6 year gap between red john killings and i believe that is significant somehow.
My current suspect is Ardiles because he is in a perfect position to be a master manipulator. He has connections and information at his finger tips. He can easilykeep track of where the cbi team go and when they need things like warrents. He is the right build and age group for red john. Also we know red john is connected to bret stiles (i think bret gives people to red join... like desiples) and in the first episode with styles it is mentioned that they had been investigating stiles.
I don't believe it is anyone on janes team. As olaughlin was an infiltrator. Why have olaughlin. If part of the team is guilty. I don't think it is stiles or bertram because their age plus neither likes to get his hands dirty.
I believe even if arsiles isn't red john that red john is someone political
"Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead." It's implausible that so many people know Red John's identity, and yet it remains the best kept secret of all time. At this point, there would at least be rumors, whispers of Red John's identity.
Every week Jane catches the culprit with almost nothing to go on. Jane has hundreds of pages RJ files. Jane knows the specific locations and times of the RJ murders. Jane has a finite list of suspects. Come on, there is NO way Jane should still be this clueless. Process of elimination and old fashion police work should get the list down to about 10. I'm sure most of them have solid alibis for at least one of the RJ murders. Then Jane can have the rest under surveillance, play mind games with them, etc.
Oscar Ardiles...sure....why not?
The title of 5x08 episode, focused on Red John and Lorelei Martins, Red Sails In The Sunset, is the anagram of "Hunts Ardiles, it's seen". Heller says: "See the White Whale"
He works in court (Cut iron). Tagliaferro ,alias of Red John, Also known as Cut iron. Cut iron is the anagram of "in court".
His name O. Ardiles, is an anagram for "A soldier". Loralei tells Jane that Red John views him as an "old comrade".
I know that he works alot and has no time to be Red John but it makes sense to me
It's osvaldo ardilles.
Heller said to watch every scene closely in the crimson hat.
The scene where darcy uses a tape measure to measure the fake dead rigsby she then rings ardilles and demands warrants for arrests, this is when he finds out Patrick didn't kill Lisbon....
Quote from red John 'I found out when my good friend in the FBI found out'
Brilliant
I do suspect Osvaldo Ardiles to be Red John (and no, the person in the picture is NOT Ardiles/David Norona).
At first it's been a hunch I had watching S05E10 ("Panama Red") where I felt a little perturbed about him. I think it's because the man is smiling to much but still radiates something dark.
So I watched the episodes with him and came to the conclusion that he might be Red John for the following reasons:
- He fits Rosalind Harker's description (short hair, under 6 feet, not muscular but not soft). In S02E23 ("Red Sky in the Morning") Red John is wearing high heeled boots that might let him appear taller.
Also I remember Patrick describing him as neat/clean/tidy and Osvaldo makes a well-groomed, clean impression. He seems to be intelligent and cultured. He wears a wedding ring.
- His name is on La Roche's and on Patrick's suspect list.
- As Assistant District Attorney who works closely with the CBI he gets access to lots of information on cases and intimate knowledge about the members of Lisbon's team (like Cho having a relationship with Summer Edgecombe). I don't know about legal procedures in the US but it seems to me that DA office gets notified fast. He can come and go and ask questions without rising suspicions.
I always wondered how Red John did get to Patrick so fast in S02E23 ("Red Sky in the Morning"), he must have known really soon. In S03E23 ("Strawberries and Cream") Red John got to know about the meeting in the mall so promptly he even had time to instruct and send a double. Who did Bertram call as soon as Patrick left his office? The DA?
- Let's stay with S03E23: One thing that didn't make sense to me was the hotel room decoy. O'Loughlin (Red John's mole) and Ardiles had been suspects and given information about Hightower's whereabouts with different room numbers.If Ardiles was Red John he must have uncovered the decoy beforehand. So why still send the killer? Ardiles might have realised he had to sacrifice O'Loughlin in order to thwart the suspicions against himself. As soon as O'Loughlin got exposed Ardiles was no longer a suspect.
Other observations about him:
- The performance of David Norona is superb, he definitely could pull off Red John.
- The first time we saw Ardiles was in S03E22 ("Rhapsody in Red") when he interrupted a meeting between Lisbon and Patrick in her office. Patrick did shoo him out for a moment. When he came back his composure seemed the slightest bit off like he had to control himself.
That's the only time I have seen him like this, in all the other scenes he's in his composure and his acting (if he was Red John) are perfect. Even in disputations he seems totally in control of himself and sometimes even smug like enjoying the game. He is an Alpha animal.
- The whole S04E14 ("At First Blush") is a real treat regarding interaction between Patrick and Osvaldo. There definitely is a chemistry going on. "Ardiles, you got a second?" "For you, Jane, I got two."
Even while protesting Patrick's interference in his case Ardiles seemes intrigued and amused by Patrick's observations. There is an intensity that's hard to describe. Just watch the episode with keeping in mind Ardiles might be Red John and you will know what I mean.
Also there is a great scene where he waits in Lisbons office sitting on her sofa in the dark that's got a menacing undertone.
One thing that's unsettled:
- Does a DA Attorney have enough time for Red John activities?
Being Red John must be time consuming. In the first season he spent months to build the cellar for the trap. Also it seems to me Red John brain washes at least some of his followers (and he did mess up Kristina Fye's mind too while keeping her hostage for some time), that needs time as well as his sophisticated schemes.
Please excuse any mistakes in writing, I'm not a native English speaker.
Ardiles will be the first suspect from Jane's list that we see Jane confront. He'll be in Panama Red this next Sunday. I must say that I'm really looking forward to seeing however Jane goes about "questioning" his suspects. I hope he makes a cryptic smiley face comment to one of them.
Ardiles is the assistant district attorney, he was on LaRoche's suspect list, and he was the prosecuter in 4x01 that prosecuted Jane for killing Timothy Carter.
Does anyone have a good theory for him being RJ?