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Lorelei Martins

Lorelei Martins
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First of all: I'm not saying that Lorelei is Red John.

I wrote this theory just to ask you a question:
ARE WE SURE LORELEI IS DEAD?

I know what you could be thinking, "of course she's dead, we saw her! if not, who was her? A secret twin sister?"
I must say, generally I don't like when a fiction "resurrects" a character through some sort of trick; it was pretty corny if the trick is a twin popped out of thin air.
But The Mentalist could just about manage it: Dana Martins admitted that she had sold Miranda, the youngest daughter, but we know that Miranda was killed and, moreover, she wasn't Lorelei's twin. But maybe that wasn't an isolated case. Maybe Lorelei also had a twin sister who has met the same fate. I repeat, it's a bit 'corny, but who knows.

I don't know what will be the trick, if it was a twin or a double or whatever. But I have a strong feeling that Lorelei is still alive and that was John's trick! He has not recorded the video before killing Lorelei; he recorded it after her supposed death, and after being able to spy on Patrick's investigation.
Why I think she's alive? I'll show you right now!
Look at Lorelei's dead body (5x16), then look at her video message from Red John to Patrick (5x22).
Did you notice? I found two differences:
1) in the video Lorelei was beaten by John and she has a bruised eye. "Two weeks later" her corpse's face is clean.
2) this is crucial: in the video her left arm is bandaged. Instead at the crime scene "Her" body's arm is not. And, by the way, there wasn't a mosquito bite under the bandage, there was a bullet wound. We could think it's a blooper, but if we look back, it would seem a deliberate choice by the authors:

1 - Lorelei is wound in the arm by an agent (5x16, min. 24:26);

2 - Lorelei tortures Jason Lennon and her arm is bandaged (5x16, min. 33:28)

3 - Lorelei is beaten by John and she reads the message; the arm is still bandaged (5x22, min. 39:46)

4 - "two weeks later" it's found the dead body of "Lorelei" with no bruises and no wound in the arm (5x16, min. 41:32)

I think that was a detail to make us realize that it wasn't the real Lorelei; Lorelei is not Wolverine and she can't recover from a bullet wound in two weeks. The real Lorelei is still alive.
And the authors could have given us another clue. Go to the min. 41:17 of the episode 5x16 and freeze it:
Did you see it? - How I love it keeping you on your toes, hahaha! - a poster about a freak ("four legged woman") has been placed at the crime scene. But why is it there? Because on that poster it also stands out another word: "ALIVE"!

If so, then Lorelei is being held captive by John and the video was shot after her supposed death. Meanwhile, John was able to spy on Patrick's list to find out the names and to narrow it to the seven suspects. Obviously, the first name that comes to mind is Kirkland. It could be!
I persist to believe that Kirkland is a Red John's rival, but who knows, maybe I'm wrong!

But there is another possibility: When Lorelei's body was found, Lisbon knocked on Patrick's door. He realizes what has happened and he was visibly upset. That's why, when he left the room, he left the lock inside, open: anybody could have entered the room.

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As a earlier post said, they believed that lorelei is not dead. This I now know to be true because I saw a interview about her returning role in the new season of the mentalist. The interview was recent

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Lorelei Martins is red john, after she kill her self she have call patrick from heaven.

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why has Lorelei not got damage to her left arm or a bandage??? wasn't she shot there? answers please!
Check out on you tube

The mentalist 5x16 last scene(lorelei killed by red john)  1.26 min

How did they prove it was her????

Could it be a doppleganger??

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I dont think that Lorelei actually is Red John however...

What if she is still alive? Makes the video easier to make. Getting the details of the pick is simple, camera, hacked computer, breaking in etc etc.

Lorelei was an avid follower of RJ then she finds out RJ did bad things to her sister, so she goes after him, THEN she is caught and basically does what RJ asks and doesnt appear fearful but actually accepts her death? Doesnt ring true to a survivor.

Also I JUST noticed that in the video showing the final 7 suspects she reads she has a bruise on her face and yet in the final death video of her on the bed she has a perfect face. YES he might have made her up with makeup but I find this strange.

I am also concerned as to why Jane broke the dvd so quickly. Wouldn't he want Teresa to evaluate it for details?

People that claim that ANYONE on the main CBI team is a suspect are just foolish. If it turns out to be Jane for example then I will have wasted 6 years of my life watching this great series because the writers will have misled us. Same goes for people like Teresa, Rigsby, Cho or Grace. Just be bad writing if they went after any of these people. I HOPE this isnt just a stupid soap opera.

I am disappointed in the list like most people as we have a couple basically no names on the list and some others that are important but are missing. However this itself may be a clue as the missing names may be the real deal. As others have already mentioned, did Jane make a fake list that was then transferred to RJ somehow?

One last thing, Brett Partridge is a ghoul is a freak but did Jane ever shake hands with him?

Thanks for your input!




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I accuse Lorelei Martins to be the most beautiful woman to ever set foot on this planet.

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Red John is Lorelei.  Jane shakes her hand, the first time they meet in the season four finale.  Despite the fact that many believe Red John is a man, Lorelei is able to easily manipulate others, especially men with her beauty.  Jane and Lorelei are both searching for the killer of their family, and share qualities.

 Lorelei(referring to Red John) God, you're just like him, you know that? Relentless manipulation.
Jane: I am nothing like him.
Lorelei: How would you know? I know. I only wonder why the two of you didn't become lifelong friends the moment you shook hands.


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