I think Brett Partridge is Red John because always at the Red John Murders and he always knows what Red John did and how he did it. In Season 3 episode 23 to 24 how Patrick Jane shot how they think is Red John he is i think a puppert of Red John so Patrick Jane comes after Red John and nobody else.
SECOND SUSPECT - Brett Partridge
Reason 1. He's always on The Red John cases.
Reason 2. He hates Patrick and Patrick hates him.
Reason 3. He is a strange man.
Reason 4. He fits the description of Red John and the voice.
Reason 5. There is a painting by William Blake which is called A Brace of Partridge. He recites a poem "Tyger Tyger" by William Blake.
Other things.
1. As anyone noticed that when Danny and Jane visited the grave stones it was just there names, no date of birth nor death....strange...Grave stones usaully have this. By the way I'm the same person who had Danny as top suspect
Before I start, I would like to say that I'm not accusing anyone this time. This is not a theory about a single Character.This will be a post where I linked all the plausible connections between the most suspected characters and RJ.Hope you like this post and I also hope this will be helpful in some ways.
Brett Partridge:
- Similar Voice
- Fits the description of Rosalind
- Maniac Style
- Talks Spanish "que pasa dude?", and we know RJ has friends from Spain/Mexico because the mexican guy that he killed in Mexico said "RJ is a friend of a friend of mine"
- Shaken hands with Patrick
- Thinks Patrick is a jerk and likes to provoque him.
- Works in CBI Forensics, so he can easily hide is criminal clues (DNA, etc)
- appeared twice in the show, coincidence or not in the episodes where the copycats of red john acted.
- Red John quoted a poem to Patrick "The Tyger" and if you make a search on google, William Blake made several paitings too. One of his most famous paintings is called "A Brace of Partridge"
- In the episode where RJ quotes "The Tyger", first when Partridge is talking with Patrick in the victims room, Patrick Goes away, and comes back suddenly and scares Partridge. In the end of the episode, after quoting the poem, RJ goes away and comes back suddenly to scare Patrick Jane
Summary: I guess Brett Partridge is a strong candidate, but I also think it would be too obvious, and in my opinion Bruno Heller will not make red john to be am obvious character, so maybe he is trying to make us believe that Partridge is RJ.
CBI Ron:
- has a wedding ring like RJ
- works in CBI and is always around Patrick
- has seen a criminal with a gun trying to kill patrick and van pelt, and just runs away in his car without doing anything. (very suspiscious)
- high pitched voice like RJ
- Drinks tea
- Talked with Craig O'Laughlin in the phone in CBI office, before go to Van Pelt and tell her: "Van Pelt, Line 2: O'laughlin", and we know O'laughlin worked for Red John
- Fits the description of Rosalind
- In the episode Rebecca kill's Bosco and his team, when you see the guy passing by her and poisoning her, then you can see his head, and it seems like CBI Ron to me.
- Before the Spanish/Mexican guy disappears from the Van, you can see a guy in the middle of the crowd that looks like CBI Ron
- His name is a shortcut to Red jhON
- The name of Red John (Roy Tagliaferro) can become and anagram and we know Bruno Heller likes anagrams: Roy Tagliaferro = Roy Cuts Iron = Roy Cuts I Ron = Roy it's Ron U C?
Summary: CBI Ron is a plausible suspect but a secondary character. Maybe he is not Red John, but in some way he must be involved and I'm 100% sure of that:What kind of CBI Officer sees a criminal trying to kill 2 of his co-workers, and simply runs away in his car without doing anythin?
Virgil Minelli:
- In the first script Bruno Heller sent to Warner Bros, the name of Virgil Minelli was not Virgil Minelli. It was Supervisor RJ Patel. (you can see the pdf with the pilot in Virgil Summary)
- Was the "Cheef" in CBI
- Has much power and powerful friends for sure
- Talked with Alexa Schultz when Patrick joined the CBI to be a consultant
- Alexa works in the FBI (we all know RJ has friends in FBI)
- Minelli is an Italian name just like Tagliaferro
- He was the only person who knew Tagliaferro means Cut Iron, and this way, Van Pelt made a search on his computer for Cut Iron and found some clues to find RJ
- Grabs the elephant that Dulmar offered to Rosalind
- When Patrick Jane wants to take the Spanish/Mexican guy out of prison, Minelli makes everything possible so that would not happen, and has strange behaviour
- In that episode where Patrick wants to take the Mexican guy out of prison, Minelli said to Lisbon that he needs to make a trip to visit his sick sister. But if could go to Mexico to Kill the mexican guy...
- Red John quoted a poem by William Blake "The Tyger" and if go make a search on google to see is most famous masterpieces, William Blake has a paint called "Dante and Virgil in the Gates of Hell"
- Gives a list to Patrick Jane with many names, and tells Patrick that Bertram has no clue that he haves that list. When Patrick says he haves his upper hand of RJ, Virgil call him nuts
- When he retires, RJ changes his killing methods- Has short hair like Rosalind said while describing RJ
- In season 5 episode "Red Down", you can see Minelli with a Wedding ring like RJ- Drinks coffee. I don't know if he also drinks tea
Summary: Virgil is the character with more plausible clues. He is also very powerful and inteligent. His name in the pilot script was RJ Patel.You can take a look at the pilot script here: http://www.zen134237.zen.co.uk/Mentalist/The_Mentalist_1x01_-_Pilot.pdf
Even with all this evidences, I cannot imagine Virgil Minelli making RJ's voice. It's a young voice and too high for him to make.
Bret Stilles:
- Rich, Poweful, Intelligent
- He knows the location where RJ took Kristina, and tells Jane the adress "Accept this as gift from a friend...Or not"
- He is tha "head" of the corporation Visualize
- Visualize is well known for giving a new life to desperate people and to change them in the light path. RJ does the same with his puppets
- When Patrick enters in Visualize to find Stilles, there is an employee that is trying to stop Patrick to find Stiles. When Patrick finds him, the employee gets scared and runs away as if he knew something really bad might happen to him
- Bret Stilles goes to everywhere in is private limo. We also know RJ favourite car is a limo.- Fits RJ heigh description
- Helped Jane to bring Loreli back from prison, and knew that it was a great risk to do that
Summary: Bret has some plausible connections that would make us think that he is RJ, but just like Minelli, I don't Think Stilles can produce that high pitched fake voice of RJ.
Walter Mashburn:
- Rich, intelligent
- Intrigued by murder
- There was an incident in one of the episodes where we have the presence of Masburn when a guy dies in an explosion
- Has money to buy nice cars such ferraris and limo's
- When the Mexican guy dies with the whore in the bathroom, they left a message "He is Ma(r?)", and his name fits the Message. Could it be "He is Mashburn"?
Summary: He doesn't have many plausible clues about being RJ so I guess Mashburn is not RJ. He is a celebrity and is always on the magazines etc. RJ don't like to be mentioned in public and doensn't have time to spend on that kind of stuff.Mashburn wants to bang Lisbon, and Lisbon starts to feel attracted by him. It would be nice if he was RJ to see Lisbon surprised.
More plausible suspects:
Ellis Mars:
- psychic
- shook hands with Jane
- "He is Mar", can it be He is Mars?
Robert Kirkland:
- works for the FBI
- Knows Patrick, be Patrick doesn't know him
- Shook hands with Patrick
- if you listen his voice and try to imagine him reading the tyger with a maniac voice, it matches really well!
FINALLY:
So after all this clues, I would say that the most plausible suspects are Partridge (but it would be too obvious) or Virgil Minelli.Personally I would like RJ to be Partridge or CBI Ron. Don't ask me why. But I would love to see a nice word fight between Jane and Partridge at the end.
I would like to say that maybe RJ is not only one single person. I think Partridge or kirkland are working to him, and one of them is the guy under the mask and the guy in the limo who talked to Jane. This way we never heard RJ real voice, not even a fake one, so it's possible that RJ is Virgil Minelli or Brett Stiles, and Partridge or Kirkland one of his puppets.
P.S.- I would like to make a point about Loreli Martins: We don't know if she had a brother right? We guess she only had a sister.. But what do we know about her father? He left her and gone away. We don't know anything about him.. We just assume that his name is Mr. (Something) Martins.Can RJ be Loreli's father? "He is Mar"... could it be "He is Martins"? Because when Jane gave Loreli a picture of his sister with the name Roy (RJ) in the floor, she could not believe RJ killed her and if you look at her she is really surprised. Maybe this is a stupid theory, I just wanted to share this thought with you.
Thank you again for reading my theory. I know this is a long post, but I'm trying to get the most of all we know about the connections between Red John/ Suspect Characters
Before I start, I would like to say that I'm not accusing anyone this time. This is not a theory about a single Character.This will be a post where I linked all the plausible connections between the most suspected characters and RJ.Hope you like this post and I also hope this will be helpful in some ways.
Brett Partridge:
- Similar Voice- Fits the description of Rosalind- Maniac Style- Talks Spanish "que pasa dude?", and we know RJ has friends from Spain/Mexico because the mexican guy that he killed in Mexico said "RJ is a friend of a friend of mine"- Shaken hands with Patrick- Thinks Patrick is a jerk and likes to provoque him.- Works in CBI Forensics, so he can easily hide is criminal clues (DNA, etc)- appeared twice in the show, coincidence or not in the episodes where the copycats of red john acted. - Red John quoted a poem to Patrick "The Tyger" and if you make a search on google, William Blake made several paitings too. One of his most famous paintings is called "A Brace of Partridge"- In the episode where RJ quotes "The Tyger", first when Partridge is talking with Patrick in the victims room, Patrick Goes away, and comes back suddenly and scares Partridge. In the end of the episode, after quoting the poem, RJ goes away and comes back suddenly to scare Patrick Jane
Summary: I guess Brett Partridge is a strong candidate, but I also think it would be too obvious, and in my opinion Bruno Heller will not make red john to be am obvious character, so maybe he is trying to make us believe that Partridge is RJ.
CBI Ron:
- has a wedding ring like RJ- works in CBI and is always around Patrick- has seen a criminal with a gun trying to kill patrick and van pelt, and just runs away in his car without doing anything. (very suspiscious)- high pitched voice like RJ- Drinks tea- Talked with Craig O'Laughlin in the phone in CBI office, before go to Van Pelt and tell her: "Van Pelt, Line 2: O'laughlin", and we know O'laughlin worked for Red John- Fits the description of Rosalind- In the episode Rebecca kill's Bosco and his team, when you see the guy passing by her and poisoning her, then you can see his head, and it seems like CBI Ron to me.- Before the Spanish/Mexican guy disappears from the Van, you can see a guy in the middle of the crowd that looks like CBI Ron- His name is a shortcut to Red jhON- The name of Red John (Roy Tagliaferro) can become and anagram and we know Bruno Heller likes anagrams: Roy Tagliaferro = Roy Cuts Iron = Roy Cuts I Ron = Roy it's Ron U C?
Summary: CBI Ron is a plausible suspect but a secondary character. Maybe he is not Red John, but in some way he must be involved and I'm 100% sure of that:What kind of CBI Officer sees a criminal trying to kill 2 of his co-workers, and simply runs away in his car without doing anythin?
Virgil Minelli:
- In the first script Bruno Heller sent to Warner Bros, the name of Virgil Minelli was not Virgil Minelli. It was Supervisor RJ Patel. (you can see the pdf with the pilot in Virgil Summary)- Was the "Cheef" in CBI- Has much power and powerful friends for sure- Talked with Alexa Schultz when Patrick joined the CBI to be a consultant- Alexa works in the FBI (we all know RJ has friends in FBI)- Minelli is an Italian name just like Tagliaferro- He was the only person who knew Tagliaferro means Cut Iron, and this way, Van Pelt made a search on his computer for Cut Iron and found some clues to find RJ- Grabs the elephant that Dulmar offered to Rosalind- When Patrick Jane wants to take the Spanish/Mexican guy out of prison, Minelli makes everything possible so that would not happen, and has strange behaviour- In that episode where Patrick wants to take the Mexican guy out of prison, Minelli said to Lisbon that he needs to make a trip to visit his sick sister. But if could go to Mexico to Kill the mexican guy...- Red John quoted a poem by William Blake "The Tyger" and if go make a search on google to see is most famous masterpieces, William Blake has a paint called "Dante and Virgil in the Gates of Hell"- Gives a list to Patrick Jane with many names, and tells Patrick that Bertram has no clue that he haves that list. When Patrick says he haves his upper hand of RJ, Virgil call him nuts- When he retires, RJ changes his killing methods- Has short hair like Rosalind said while describing RJ- In season 5 episode "Red Down", you can see Minelli with a Wedding ring like RJ- Drinks coffee. I don't know if he also drinks tea
Summary: Virgil is the character with more plausible clues. He is also very powerful and inteligent. His name in the pilot script was RJ Patel.You can take a look at the pilot script here: http://www.zen134237.zen.co.uk/Mentalist/The_Mentalist_1x01_-_Pilot.pdf
Even with all this evidences, I cannot imagine Virgil Minelli making RJ's voice. It's a young voice and too high for him to make.
Bret Stilles:
- Rich, Poweful, Intelligent- He knows the location where RJ took Kristina, and tells Jane the adress "Accept this as gift from a friend...Or not"- He is tha "head" of the corporation Visualize- Visualize is well known for giving a new life to desperate people and to change them in the light path. RJ does the same with his puppets- When Patrick enters in Visualize to find Stilles, there is an employee that is trying to stop Patrick to find Stiles. When Patrick finds him, the employee gets scared and runs away as if he knew something really bad might happen to him- Bret Stilles goes to everywhere in is private limo. We also know RJ favourite car is a limo.- Fits RJ heigh description- Helped Jane to bring Loreli back from prison, and knew that it was a great risk to do that
Summary: Bret has some plausible connections that would make us think that he is RJ, but just like Minelli, I don't Think Stilles can produce that high pitched fake voice of RJ.
Walter Mashburn:
- Rich, intelligent- Intrigued by murder- There was an incident in one of the episodes where we have the presence of Masburn when a guy dies in an explosion- Has money to buy nice cars such ferraris and limo's- When the Mexican guy dies with the whore in the bathroom, they left a message "He is Ma(r?)", and his name fits the Message. Could it be "He is Mashburn"?
Summary: He doesn't have many plausible clues about being RJ so I guess Mashburn is not RJ. He is a celebrity and is always on the magazines etc. RJ don't like to be mentioned in public and doensn't have time to spend on that kind of stuff.Mashburn wants to bang Lisbon, and Lisbon starts to feel attracted by him. It would be nice if he was RJ to see Lisbon surprised.
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More plausible suspects: Ellis Mars: - psychic - shook hands with Jane - "He is Mar", can it be He is Mars?
Robert Kirkland: - works for the FBI - Knows Patrick, be Patrick doesn't know him - Shook hands with Patrick - if you listen his voice and try to imagine him reading the tyger with a maniac voice, it matches really well!
FINALLY:
So after all this clues, I would say that the most plausible suspects are Partridge (but it would be too obvious) or Virgil Minelli.Personally I would like RJ to be Partridge or CBI Ron. Don't ask me why. But I would love to see a nice word fight between Jane and Partridge at the end.
I would like to say that maybe RJ is not only one single person. I think Partridge or kirkland are working to him, and one of them is the guy under the mask and the guy in the limo who talked to Jane. This way we never heard RJ real voice, not even a fake one, so it's possible that RJ is Virgil Minelli or Brett Stiles, and Partridge or Kirkland one of his puppets.
P.S.- I would like to make a point about Loreli Martins: We don't know if she had a brother right? We guess she only had a sister.. But what do we know about her father? He left her, and gone away. And we don't know anything about him.. We just assume that his name is Mr. (Something) Martins. Can RJ be Loreli's father? "He is Mar"... could it be "He is Martins"? Because when Jane gave Loreli a picture of his sister with the name Roy (RJ) in the floor, she could not believe RJ killed her and if you look at her she is really surprised. Maybe this is a stupid theory, I just wanted to share this thought with you.
Thank you again for reading my theory. I know this is a long post, but I'm trying to get the most of all we know about the connections between Red John/ Suspect Characters
Look, When a show starts, it is signed up for one season only. All the shows are like that.
Now, the writers must already have planned who was red john was in the first season itself, as they couldn't be sure if the show would get more seasons.
So my theory is that, there's a high probability that Red John was present(and possibly shown) in the first season. It could be anyone like Dr. Linus Wagner or Brett Patridge.
Thoughts?
I am not going to accuse anyone for sure yet, but here are my suspects:
1. BRETT PARTRIDGE
-Fits all RJ characteistics. (Age questionable)
-Is in Jane's list of people he shook hands with.
-Has a "serial killer vibe " in my opinion
-He has a nearly identical voice to RJ
-According to another theory I've read, his opening line is "Red John enters here." (refering to a case, but that would still be clever)
2. ELLIS MARS
-Deceptive abilities (Psychic)
-"He is Mar" written on a wall, probably incomplete.
-In Jane's book (see Brett Partridge, line 2).
-Not very much background with Jane that we know of, lessening his chances of being RJ.
These are my main suspects. Again, I have not officially accused anyone, yet.
~Red John
Personally I still believe its Partridge, mainly because this show is one of those where they throw all of the answers to you immediately in a random mess and then unravel it as time goes on. Now I want to make a very clear point here in the latest episode Jane tells Lisbon that he considers her to be a friend and that that rules her out of his list, however if you think very carefully about what he was told, "It's a wonder you two weren't friends the moment you shook hands" That doesn't say they never became friends, and Lisbon didn't like jane from the start as you saw in the flashback, so she is still a pretty decent suspect, and she's extremely close to him, possibly the closest person he has on the planet.
I still don't think it's Lisbon of course, I feel if they did that it would mean way too much hate from the community since Jane and Lisbon should hook up but that's still off track.
