Who is Red John?

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Alex Jane is the mastermind behind Red John.
Ever wonder why Lorelie was found in a mother fu*%+n! CARNIVAL!!
Of coarse with a picture of a woman with the word ALIVE written on it.

How Rj guessed Janes list has never been answered. Because Rj never guessed the list he gave Jane the list.
Lorelie is Rj's stepdaughter they were never lovers like we assumed. Lorelie introduced her sister Miranda to Rj. No reason for Rj to rape and kill his step daughter. No reason for Rj to rape at all!
The Ba Killed Miranda. Roy was never Red John.
Red john led Jane right to Rosaline Harker this is a fact. Rj wanted Rosaline to lead Jane astray with her Roy story.
Red Johns Rules was the last cool episode. We learned that Rj is most likely from Janes past. We always wondered why Rj didn't just torture Sophie Miller and get the info from her instead of being her client.
Well maybe Rj NEVER WANTED INFO FROM HER..
Red John already knew about Janes happy memory because he is indeed from Janes past.

Like Quitthat said earlier, maybe Alex Jane needed a new identity and chose the last name Martins.
He is Mar-tins
**Also someone brought to my attention that Gvp was born in Iowa and that Jane and his dad lives in Iowa when Jane conned the dying little girl.
"Coincidence ? There is no such thing".
Season 7.

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Ok MAJOR breakthrough! Maybe..

Remember the "picture frame" clue that one guy was talking about? He would never tell us the clue but he gave me a hint and i got it. At first i said it was Roger at the bar with Jane in Mexico but no.
The pic is of Lorelie's step father who is way older than her mother. Her step father is....ALEX JANE!!!!!!
I didn't agree at first but if you put the two pics of them both side by side you can see it. Especially the cowboy pic with Lorelie step dad.
The guy who posted this may be wrong but I'm riding with him on this. Because listen to this...
Alex Jane is the only logical explanation for Red John. Love/hates Patrick and cannot kill him but loves showing HIS SON he is always the smarter one. Jane's arrogance was what Alex Jane hated about his son. Jane left and did his own thing. They have the same powers. Act the same and manipulate people the same.

Remember we were talking about how Rj had to have other reasons to kill Janes family other than what Jane said? Yea cuz Rj is Alex Jane.
Maybe he keeps his son alive because he uses him. Who knows how much he has used him over the years without Jane even knowing.
Listen to this...
Lorelie was separated from her sister until they finally met later in life. So both sisters were both Red Johns Girls right? So that means one of them most likely Lorelie the older sister, introduced Rj to her sister Miranda. But what if Rj WAS Lorelei's STEPFATHER!!
He is always away on "business" and we know Miranda died shortly after she met Rj and her own sister for the first time with this logic.
Miranda met Red John when she met Lorelie. The Ba killed and RAPED Miranda which fueled Rj to seek revenge on them. And what better way then to use Jane. Lorelie's step sister. Thats why Lorelie knew her dad did not kill and rape his own step daughter.

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I am sorry about all the Grace stuff but for some reason the writers wanted her to seem very suspicious early on. We get insights into all the characters past. Rigsby and Cho we learned a bit and obviously Jane as well as Lisbon and her drunk father.
But Gvp for some reason seems to have the most skeletons in her closet.
First the way awkward first time meeting with Jane. Priceless.
Then the infamous dinner table convo about God and soul-less Jane.
Then Gvp was nearly in tears because Jane made fun of Kristina Freye's powers. Cousin Yolanda 4 life.
We then learn Grace has a thing with suicide. Her sister killed herself but Grace lied about the whole thing to Rigsby and said she never had a sister.

Then the episode i saw last week with a girl from foster care found dead on an island.
Grace wad LIVID the whole episode!
She assaulted a witness and spilled coffee on a foster care lady.
It was all because the foster care lady could not do her job as Grace said. Lisbon was worries about her but Grace said she was fine.
My question is why make Grace have so many question marks with subjects that are right up the Red John story lines alley!
Is she really gone?

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Red Johns

Piggybacking off if Hll i have been thinking about the many red johns theory lately. Its the only plausible way to explain the different styles of Rj. I wrote this a while ago but it seems to fit todays theme.

John and Jane doe.
Red John Doe.
What if there was a manipulative mastermind out there.
He/she used people to kill for him or her. They were john do's with a knife and an order to kill.
This mastermind hated the Ba.
Wanted them taken down but you cant just kill the members because they can easily be replaced. This mastermind guro cult leader saw Patrick Jane as a great asset.
One he gets to play this game with Jane and two he can lead Jane to the Ba and very slowly i might add.
He killed Janes family to control him. Just like he does with a lot of his followers. Jane would search high and low for him but low and behold a master plan to take down the Ba.
He used Macalister to kill Janes family to ensure that Mac would later be killed by Jane.

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Grace Van Pelt is Psychic, maybe.

This is a stretch but i have seen a few episodes where i thought to myself that Grace might have "powers".
We all know Grace is all about psychic stuff. She stands up for Kristina Freye hardcore on the day she meets her like she had known her for 2 centuries.
Now my evidence can easily be torn apart but this is what i saw..

-When Wayne is complaining to Cho that he has not had sex since he has been married.
Then poof Gvp is naked in Cbi ready to go and said "i know what you were thinking". I know it could just be female intuition but the way it went down so dramatically makes me feel otherwise.
-Right before Ardilles is murdered, Wayne is driving around. Grace says did you eat tacos? And of coarse Wayne was just about to bite into one.
*This is stood out because of a famous scene with Jane when he was on the phone with Cho and and said "Rigsby don't eat the cupcakes" right as Rigsby was about to eat one.
-also it was weird in the episode when Jane called her out and said she "had a traumatic experience in her past that is so terrifying she has not even said a word about it, not even to herself".
THEN Jane slips into a trance and had a flashback from an old client middle aged with Red Hair.
Jane obviously bullshitted her and the woman committed suicide soon after due what he said.
Then Jane passes out..
It was a weird chain of events.

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Something that has ALWAYS bothered me big-time.
When Styles knew Kristina Freye was taken and then knew exactly where she was!
And when Jane asks how he gives a shit answer "i know more than you or red john will ever know".

But really how the F did he know yet have no idea who Rj is?
Someone had to of told him the info so who are they and so forth.
That always drove me crazy.
Freye in a empty house with a light staring at the wall.
Then Janes spirit trick worked and she talked to him.
SHE REMEMBERED WHO JANE WAS YET HAD NOO IDEA WHO RED JOHN WAS OR HOW SHE DIED??!!
Reality check: Styles didnt magically guess where Rj was
And Freye was fine and messing with everyone.
She is a con artist just like Jane and Styles.
All 3 of them are very similar.

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In the season 1 finale which was great you should re watch it,
I noticed that Red John wanted Jane to see the letter from Roy Tagliaferra as well as wanted Jane to meet Rosaline. Jane was not gaining on rj, rather Rj was leading Jane to things.

Now Dumar thought Rosaline screwed things up and for him she did. But Red John obviously wanted Dumar to get caught, just like his dad was years ago. Orville Tanner.
Dumar was just a pawn to lure Jane.
But who is Roy?
-Also whats weird is that Rosaline Harker was on the BA list that Jane showed to Abbott.
Her name was not blacked out so that means she was already caught.
So maybe she was Ba with Roy and Red John wanted to lead Jane to both of them.
Maybe Roy was Macalister who smelled like earth.
Or maybe Roy was a KIRKLAND and smelled like earth!

The only thing that deters me in this theory is the ep when Rj returns and puts a body in Rosalines closet.

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