Who is Red John?

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Macalister is NOT red john #8271895

I was watching the ep with Kirkland describing his brothers past. How he was an alcoholic and was saved by a man.
Why would the leader of an organization change a young alcoholics life and recruit him if he has every lawyer and cop under his control? The Ba didn't have civilians that offer nothing.
Macalister does not seem like a guru type right ?

Listen you can tell me that Red John is dead and maybe your right but there is with a doubt in my mind another villain who is pulling the strings.

Side note: why would cbi appoint bosco to the rj case then kill him? Why not just remove the evidence he was on too? Very weird. Was bosco Ba?
Was anyone Ba before season 6? Lorelie definitely was not Ba and never mentioned them.
And if Lorelie was looking for red john to see if he killed her sister why not look into the ba too?
She never stood trial for her crimes or a pre trial and the fbi was obsessed with her yet Kirkland NEVER QUESTIONED her!

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Adding on to the previous poster:
I re watched season 6 1-8 and 1000 things stood out to me.
One major thing was jane and how he acted around Lisbon.
Now he already told her the list so secrecy is irrelevant at this point i would think.

Yet whenever a situation arrises about Red John Lisbon asks "what does it mean"
And Jane replies "what do you think it means".
Now if it only happened once then whatever but i heard him say that at least 3 times.
Everything from 1-8 was off and it was off bc Jane was acting different.
If you compare janes reactions in season 6 with all other red john situations you will see a huge difference.
He was too calm. To open. Too normal. He was making moves like he was playing checkers.
Rj would leave clues and jane would take them at face value and follow.

**Episodes 1-8 TO ME seemed like Red John was leaving BREADCRUMBS for Patrick.
Jane who usually sees a triple con in each of red johns clues, eats the breadcrumbs right up.

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Guys posted in the comment section is the infamous clue from Lorelie's crime scene.
In addition to this clue, Lorelie had no mark on her face and NO gunshot wound on her left arm!
She had both in the Dvd. I mean not even a scratch where she got shot. Weird...
Check out the comment section for the pic...

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I gotta be honest before the season 6 finale i thought the Rj stuff was over.
I did not expect anything from the finale other than Jisbon.
However, after it ended i thought about season 6 and all we have seen and i got real excited for season 7.
For the same reason we all said "why kill red john in ep 8 and not the finale", we can also say why burst any bubble or end anything in season 6.
We really did not think there would be a season 7 but Baker and Heller did.
Season 7 is gonna be the best season since season 3.
Lets face it seasons 4,5,6, were all shaky.
The show can go anywhere now. The fbi setting is great for Jane to do more crazy things and all the secrets and stuff avoided and untold in season 6 will have to answered in season 7.
The writers are doing fine they are really messing with us but fear mot because this is the final season and secrecy will end.
Lorelie gave jane the list of 7. There is no trick into guessing the list so that cop out excuse is done.
Re watch season 6 with that in mind and it will be much clearer to whats going on.

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I read this on another site, i am not the only one with this line of thinking apparentlt...
But i was the first to say red john never guessed Janes list, Lorelie made the list.

'"Jane also knows that Lorelei was not killed by RJ. He easily spotted her death scene as faked by the Feds. So, Jane also knew that Lorelei was in Fed custody; and, that the video where she supposedly reads out the names on his RJ suspects list was actually made while in Fed cudtody.

Was Jane amazed that Lorelei knew (possibly from Red John) the names on his list? Nope; because he never had that list until Lorelei read it. When Lisbon arrives and wants to know if Red John was right, Jane has pictures for each of the suspects on 'his list' ready to show her as proof that, Yep, RJ scored 100%! (Jane doesn't want Lisbon and CBI to know that Lorelei is still alive.)

Lorelei, of course, knew Jane would spot the faked Fed setup. She probably cooperated with the Feds to help set it up (and made sure it was botched). Feds went along with the video because she would not ID Red John but would include Red John in the list for Patrick to eventually ferret out whereupon the Feds would nab RJ. Lorelei knew that would be Jane's belief, too.

So, both the Feds and Jane believed Lorelei would include the name of Red John so that Patrick would kill RJ before the Feds could arrest him. Feds gambled they would be able to prevent that and grab RJ alive.

Lorelei lied to both. She is Red John the mastermind. She had managed to find and kill Red John the serial killer before being grabbed by the Feds.

The heart of Lorelei's (Red John's) organization is not Tyger-Tyger with agents wearing a silly 'three stones' (trail symbol = "danger") tattoo. Perhaps Lorelei somehow acquired Tyger-Tyger connections or even a position of leadership.

Lorelei's organization is primarily made up of women 'Red John' has rescued and recruited from women's shelters. She treated them well and gave each of them a new, interesting life with plenty of money and other benefits. That is why her female agents are so dedicated to 'Red John'.

When it came time to arrange for getting the video to Jane, Lorelei would have to be given some freedom by the Feds in order to contact an agent of RJ and get him/her to make a convincing delivery. (I think Lorelei used the situation to escape the Feds.) The female agent 'tied up loose ends' by taking poison.

We can guess that Lorelei was once, years ago, known to Jane as a girl with red hair named "Carmen". We do not know their relationship. We can guess that Lorelei feels affection for Jane and that, maybe, Jane felt affection for Carmen back then"

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Somebody was feeding Jane clues to take down the BA.
Thru Sophie Miller and Kira Tinsley as well as the Partridge scene.
I believe La roche and Ardilles were left over BA and someone took them out too whos NOT Haibach.

There were two Red Johns
One Ba
One true rj

The ba red john hired Olaughlin to take out todd johnson who was a follower of the real red john.
Remember Johnson spoke of the "big picture" when he killed those cops?
Well those cops were Ba one of them was Hightowers bf.
Thats why Hightower was wanted dead so bad.
Why would the real Red John care about Hightower?
She was Ba and they were cleaning house.

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Its not over.
Red John is a member or ex member of Visualize.
Unlike Macalister, he actually has dogma and strong beliefs.
When Lorelie was speaking about her sisters death she said it was ok because it showed her the "true self" that visualize always talk about. Even Rebecca Anderson spoke along these lines. Living a false reality and not noticing it until it is later shattered by a tragedy putting things in perspective.
Opening ones eye to reality in a truthful manner.

The reveal went the way it did because it was an illusion. Just like Jane said anything that looked to be true on the surface was in deed false. Theatrics. There is a reason why we don't know what happened before the blast.
Its ambiguous for a reason. The leftover survivors all awoke at the same time. How did Macalister manage to wake up before, carry all the bodies, and leave before Lisbon got there.
Do you really think Haffner and Styles are dead? No way they died off camera .
If one person faked their death why wouldn't Styles do the same? The man wanted by the fbi i might add.
Why would Macalister go thru all the trouble of faking his death just to appear a day later?

Styles and Haffner will be back and are already building hype around it.
If Heller knew there would be a season 7 since Baker was signed to a 7th season, why would he reveal all on season 6? Season 6 was one big lie or deception thats why its the number 6.
Season 7 will be truth finally filling all the plot holes. Holes are usually filled in the shows last season.

The Jisbon thing is over and done with and now it must be destroyed. Red John never wanted Jane dead.
He wants to hang out and be friends with Jane and will hurt anyone close to him.
Lisbon better watch out or she'll end up like Deb in Dexter!

My suspect list either red john or accomplice:
Patrick Jane- long-shot
Ray Haffner- boy is he gonna be mad Lisbon is with Jane
Fischer- has mole written all over her. Why did you see a
Psychiatrist agent?
Pike- stage 5 clinger. Could be the obsessive compulsive type seeing how fast
he became obsessed with Lisbon. Could seek revenge.

Questions to be answered:
Janes house wtf?
Anything regarding red john?
Who made the cbi hitlist?
Who is the fbi rj mole? Or the visualize mole or both!
Who will cho fall in love with? Wiley?

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