Who is Red John?

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I am finally out of clues and things to say. This site is going strong and i think thats the biggest evidence yet.

The show just had a huge cliffhanger
-this new list will unravel an enormous ball of bloody yard.
-new Ba members who were too smart to get caught.
Possibly high ups in the fbi
-visualize will have to be spoken about.
Van pelt and rigsby will be killed but by who?
I think it will be more deep than simply being on that list like ardilled
-Lisbon will raise hell
-cho will tackle someone
-the show has been so silent about the past and that will have to change

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Funny that visualize has a class on patrick jane ! Obsessed much?
Many people seek revenge its a natural human emotion.
Sometime i get the feeling Styles is just a figurehead of Visualize and that there are more powerful people behind him.

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Can we all agree that there is a HUGE chance that RED JOHN was NOT at the bard in 1988?
This was only a huge assumption by us and the show. This changes our whole timeline. 

Red John started killing in 1997.
The media named him red john because he liked to red headed woman early on.
I say he started killing around 23-25 and would be around 33-38 right now

THIS WOULD BE DERICK LOGAN JOHN WAYNE RIGSBY
RAYOND HAFFNER 
BRETT PARTRIDGE 
GABE NYLAND- SAME CLASS AS LOGAN
MASHBURN BUT HE MAY BE 40ish

Red John is not a 48 year old balding sheriff 


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Omg i found something.
A very important ep is gvps first crazy bf that wanted to kill jane .
He is in the parking lot with a gun and cbi ron sees him looks at the gun then drives away!!!!

That ep was very important. "Bloodshot"
Jane tells gvp she had a traumatic experience in her past and it just so happens jane has a visual of a client he made commit suicide by lying to her .
He said her grandmother said she forgives her.
The lady who is a red head said "my grandmom was an evil lady!"
She committed suicide . Could this be graces relative that jane made commit suicide ?

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This always bothered me .
How did MAcalister become the leader if the BA.
How can a small time sheriff magically own thousands of lives with politicians and judges as well.
One must aquire power somehow , you cannot just start mafia from scratch! The illuminati (if real) wouldnt of been started by a firefighter. Jokes

The BA must have higher up with a lot more money and power still out there.
Where does the BA 's power trully come from? Visualize maybe?
Haffner's threat coming through?
Both he and styles faked their deaths and used Maclister as their pawn.

Side note of the new show:
Its pretty blatant that Fischer is the same is Van pelt. Both get called out by jane for having tramatic past experiences. Fischer saw a shrink GVP bottles it up and told no one not even herself.
Wylie is Rigsby. Awkward at first friends with cho and it magically smart at times with all the answers.

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Theory #17197 • By Stoopkid
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RED JOHN STARTED MURDERING IN 1997-1998.
-we have no proof he was at the red barn in 1988, this is just a popular assumption.

WE THINK OF RED JOHN AS A "PIMP" A GUY WHO CAN MAKE WOMEN DO AS HE PLEASES . HE LANDED LORELIE , or so we assume.
-Red john is horrible with women. He kills their loved ones and makes them be friends with him by brainwashing them. You have seen his followers , they are nuts ! He hates women and murders them frequently and uses them as tools.
-Lorelie is a huge exception but she is different from the rest . She was not a pawn. She may even be ex military or FBI. You saw her , she has skills. Ill get to her later.

RED JOHN was made fun of in high school. He was humiliated and dropped out. When he kills women he ties there arms with black tape.
The same black tape used to tie Red johns arms in high-school during a prank.
-This prank made him dropout. This man is Derick Logan.
-He became a heroin addict before joining visualize.
-He received plastic surgery from Tannen ep1 pilot.
-He transformed to Wayne RIgsby

~Red John acts like he is so smart and perfect but its all lies . He can be killed and he is very vulnerable . The persona her portrays of himself is as jane spoke through MAcalister to him, "sick delusions of grandeur"
~Red John does not work alone . The scene when Lisbon is taken is a two man job and there is no way around that if you study that scene.
RED JOHN HAS FRIENDS ALL OVER
-Macister was not the King of the BA
-A small time sheriff cannot just own judges and politicians by not acquiring power is some way!?!

Like i said Lorelie was not just some girl she has combat skills which makes me think she is ex fbi.
-this may be why patrick is working for them now because rj had huge fbi connections.
-derick logan went to school with Gabe Nyland
-gabe nyland is a huge clue and may be a high up in the BA

VISUALIZE HAS A NEW LEADER
-they may have always been in bed with the BA
-Styles was wanted to take the fall for this but he faked his death.
-Visualize is hunting cbi agents

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Since this show is great at misdirection i am going to highlight the road to red john by looking into clues that the show has been DEAD silent about.

-Red john is just like Brett Styles . He has brainwashed followers and a doctrine-like moral code. This doctrine is based on creating a "new self". Visualize does this by the "air out" videos and red john does this by killing someone very close to you . This death or air out video makes you see the world differently through "new eyes" and makes you say goodby to your old self.
-Haffner's threats came out of the blue . Visualize is not suppose to be related to the BA at all and honestly i dont think they are . Visualize has its own undercover cops and whatnot to do their bidding.
So what was this threat about ?

-***The fact that this show has said NOTHING about visualize, janes house, haffner, styles, is a clear indication that they are saving it for the end of this season. And also a clear indication that this info is detrimental to the Red john story line. Detrimentalist.
-No way in hell they don't bring this stuff up again.
- Jane has not talked about van pelt or rigsby and neither has cho.
Wylie and Jane have also never been introduced to each other in the show.
-EVERYONE can see that the show is purposively making Wylie look suspicious.
--Jane wanted cbi to be shut down. He has abbot wrapped around his finger and jane is calling all the shots at the fbi.
-Jane has NOT moved on at all. As long has he wears that wedding ring than he is still on the hunt.
- Jane is PRETENDING to be a new guy. He is going to respect his psychic abilities moreso so that red john trully thinks he has changed .
-Kristina Frey will return (she is a cheap gig to book)
-Does anyone believe that Macalister had the mental fortitude to make Kristina a mute?
~~A key phrase/plot in the last episode was what? Making the bad guy(girl) think that she is in the clear because the police had arrested somebody else.
This is a MICROCOSM of the big picture painted by Jane to finally catch Red John in the act.
-The key is in the act . Jane knows who he is looking for and has known since the end of season 5. He needs to catch Red John in the act, and thats why this chess-match will last much much longer, to my dismay.

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