Who is Red John?

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There are some major clues in last weeks episode that we all have missed. That whole scene with van pelt and rigsby and cho in Bertram's man-cave secret hideout was crazy. It seemed like americas favorite couple planted the drive there or knew it was there . Rigsby looking at cho the whole time . Asks if there ok with killing the boss. Its like grace and rigsby planned on asking him that. Cho says yea. Cho finds the usb that they wanted him too. Van pelt "people give them as gifts" really? In his secret hideout he keeps a zippo gift?! Nice try toots. I believe cho is working with jane secretly . Lisbon is bugged and the others are on janes MENTAL LIST and not to be trusted. Rigsby seemed to know about styles fbi report and Bertram's safe house very eerily. Fast forward to abbots fbi takeover of cbi. Jane doesn't seem to care that when he's this close they shut it all down!!!! He hardly blinked and eye !!! Van pelt and rigsby on the other hand are quite disturbed by it all. They give each other a look that if it was a word it be "shit". And the fbi guy says to jane "we can question u later" ..no biggie just a mass conspiracy about murder !!! Is abbot with jane somehow? A kirkland buddy that is pissed his friend got killed ? And the ending when jane "lets go". Jane has been putting on a show in front of lisbon ever since the list. He knows she bugged. Every word he said to her is a plot to make rj think that jane is sure its bertram as his guy. U can tell the look on janes face he wants to tell lisbon but he says "im sorry, for everything ". Not a normal goodbye ...
JANE HAS A MENTAL-LIST THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
List 1 for kirkland was bad men that would keep him busy
List 2 the list jane told lisbon and his team and red john basically. This list is what jane pretends to be riding with. Its the tiger tiger crew visualize crew. Red john thinks he is luring jane to tiger tiger and making him fall for bertram is the end of rjs tricks
List 3: JANES MENTAL-LIST !!!!! The person or persons whom he believes is red john or associated with. This is the list heller said we should trust. Its the dam name if the show , almost...

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Possible self induced spoiler...

There are some major clues in last weeks episode that we all have missed. That whole scene with van pelt and rigsby and cho in Bertram's man-cave secret hideout was crazy. It seemed like americas favorite couple planted the drive there or knew it was there . Rigsby looking at cho the whole time . Asks if there ok with killing the boss. Its like grace and rigsby planned on asking him that. Cho says yea. Cho finds the usb that they wanted him too. Van pelt "people give them as gifts" really? In his secret hideout he keeps a zippo gift?! Nice try toots. I believe cho is working with jane secretly . Lisbon is bugged and the others are on janes MENTAL LIST and not to be trusted. Rigsby seemed to know about styles fbi report and Bertram's safe house very eerily. Fast forward to abbots fbi takeover of cbi. Jane doesn't seem to care that when he's this close they shut it all down!!!! He hardly blinked and eye !!! Van pelt and rigsby on the other hand are quite disturbed by it all. They give each other a look that if it was a word it be "shit". And the fbi guy says to jane "we can question u later" ..no biggie just a mass conspiracy about murder !!! Is abbot with jane somehow? A kirkland buddy that is pissed his friend got killed ? And the ending when jane "lets go". Jane has been putting on a show in front of lisbon ever since the list. He knows she bugged. Every word he said to her is a plot to make rj think that jane is sure its bertram as his guy. U can tell the look on janes face he wants to tell lisbon but he says "im sorry, for everything ". Not a normal goodbye ...

JANE HAS A MENTAL-LIST THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

List 1 for kirkland was bad men that would keep him busy
List 2 the list jane told lisbon and his team and red john basically. This list is what jane pretends to be riding with. Its the tiger tiger crew visualize crew. Red john thinks he is luring jane to tiger tiger and making him fall for bertram is the end of rjs tricks
List 3: JANES MENTAL-LIST !!!!! The person or persons whom he believes is red john or associated with. This is the list heller said we should trust. Its the dam name if the show , almost...

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Possible self induced spoiler...

There are some major clues in last weeks episode that we all have missed. That whole scene with van pelt and rigsby and cho in Bertram's man-cave secret hideout was crazy. It seemed like americas favorite couple planted the drive there or knew it was there . Rigsby looking at cho the whole time . Asks if there ok with killing the boss. Its like grace and rigsby planned on asking him that. Cho says yea. Cho finds the usb that they wanted him too. Van pelt "people give them as gifts" really? In his secret hideout he keeps a zippo gift?! Nice try toots. I believe cho is working with jane secretly . Lisbon is bugged and the others are on janes MENTAL LIST and not to be trusted. Rigsby seemed to know about styles fbi report and Bertram's safe house very eerily. Fast forward to abbots fbi takeover of cbi. Jane doesn't seem to care that when he's this close they shut it all down!!!! He hardly blinked and eye !!! Van pelt and rigsby on the other hand are quite disturbed by it all. They give each other a look that if it was a word it be "shit". And the fbi guy says to jane "we can question u later" ..no biggie just a mass conspiracy about murder !!! Is abbot with jane somehow? A kirkland buddy that is pissed his friend got killed ? And the ending when jane "lets go". Jane has been putting on a show in front of lisbon ever since the list. He knows she bugged. Every word he said to her is a plot to make rj think that jane is sure its bertram as his guy. U can tell the look on janes face he wants to tell lisbon but he says "im sorry, for everything ". Not a normal goodbye ...

JANE HAS A MENTAL-LIST THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

List 1 for kirkland was bad men that would keep him busy
List 2 the list jane told lisbon and his team and red john basically. This list is what jane pretends to be riding with. Its the tiger tiger crew visualize crew. Red john thinks he is luring jane to tiger tiger and making him fall for bertram is the end if rjs trick
List 3: JANES MENTAL-LIST !!!!! The person or persons whom he believes is red john or associated with. This is the list heller said we should trust. Its the dam name if the show , almost...

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http://www.spoilersguide.com/the-mentalist/season-6-episode-8-red-john-sneak-peek-1/

Thats a sneak peak for next weeks episode . Janes final trick. Why does jane needs lisbons gun as a prop? Ill tell ya what the heller i know lol. Jane already has a gun yes? Jane knowing that red john is lisboning to him (listening) jane explicitly asks for a gun so red john knows. Jane had already planted his gun in the church. When red john faces him he/she will think jane had one gun and jane like he said to lisbon he will not use her gun. He doesnt he uses it to loose it maybe in scuffle who knows . Just when rj thinks he has em buck buck hes dead . "Jane you said you wouldnt shoot anyone ? -lisbon. Jane- " i said i wouldnt use your gun so its not a lie" haha i can see this happening ...

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Ok the biggest clue that the list is a ploy is a quote by jane. Lisbon asks him why he faked the kirkland list and he says along the lines of " i don't want to endanger anyone who knows the list by letting people know the true one . I shouldn't have even told u". No way patrick would tell lisbon anyone on the list or that he even had a list ! He is up to something . Jane knew lisbon was bugged . You can tell he is talking to her like shes an answering machine ! You can tell by his face he wants to tell her more . What do yall thank?

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Ok i just wanna say F spoilers!!!! This site is for people trying to guess and use clues the show gives us to figure out who red john is. Ever since heller said "trust the list" people act like their smart because they saw this . Thats not smart , you just got lucky lol . I don't believe any of the spoilers . I don't think heller could say the list was a ruse becuse that would ruin everything for him the show and us.

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My MentalTwist Exegesis.

Jane knows he has been bugged and spied on in cbi. He used this to his advantage. Jane made two list. Both were fake. There is a real list as bruno heller said but i think it stayed in pjs mind or notebook. Kirkland takes the first one and red john knows this because of his people in the fbi. Red john thru spying with moles, and wire taps found out about janes other list.(who knows how) Jane purposively put on the list names of men he did not shake hands with as a trap. Or at least a few fake names. Jane knew rj would feast his eyes or ears on the second list so he faked it knowing this would reveal how rj got it. Revealing his identity to jane only. The first list was a trick. Making the second list look like the truth but there both tricks basically.

Red john thinks he's one step ahead because he believes he is watching jane plant a decoy and keep the real list when in reality jane is pulling a double move . Red john wants tiger tiger dealt with and uses jane to do so. Red john then plants the info for jane with Sophie miller . The info was descriptions of the tiger tiger members different neuroses. Jane knows this . Rj does not know jane knows this. Jane gathers the people on the list . Jane fakes macalister, styles , and haffners death to lower the list to two. Jane knows red john is waiting till the end to make his move ;) Reed smith is taken in and deemed not red john . Bertram is janes checkmate . This forces red johns hand for obvious egotistical reasons. Red john thinks jane believes its Bertram. Jane knows better . Next episode jane will decode the usb and find a secret tiger tiger safe meet up point at the church. Red john shows up after jane shoots Bertram. Jane chases him to the park. The rest is history.
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