Who is Red John

Bob Kirkland is not Red John. This is about Homeland Security, and Kirkland is the HS agent on the show. As we know, however, there is more to Kirkland's involvement in Lorelie's case than merely Homeland Security issues, but we're not sure yet what those his motives are.

Why is Homeland security involved in the case of Lorelie? I believe it is because some of the Red John cases -- here comes my conjecture -- involve human trafficking, which is an international crime that is frequently connected with other international crimes, of interest to Homeland Security. There are two reasons I think this is the case.

1) In the Red Letter episode, the victim, Hector Brava, was killed just before he was about to give a speech where he was about to expose a human rights institution for their involvement in human trafficking. Apparently, Brava's being blackmailed and subsequently murdered had nothing to do with his speech, but that is questionable, since his murderer stole the notes to that speech. They conclude that Bigalow stole the notes to make it look like that was the motive, where as the motive of the killing was quite convoluted. Could it be that he claimed his motive for blackmail was money rather than expose his involvement in a much greater crime. And if this theory works out, a crime that ultimately traces back to Red John. I'd lie about it too if that were the case.

Incidentally, Kristina Fry plays a major role in that episode. If she were somehow also involved, it also implicate Stiles, who just happened to know Kristina's whereabouts after she had been allegedly kidnapped. There is nothing saying that Frye was involved in the case she was called in to help solve, but since she already is a questionable character, her involvement in solving crimes has to be questioned. This was in fact, the first case on the show where her collaboration was requested, even though it was her second appearance.

2) Kidnapping is frequently a part of RJ's MO. I can think of three cases that occur in the following episodes: Red John's Footsteps, Red Sails in the Sun Set, and Red John's Rules. In Red Sails in the Sunset, the kidnapping in question occurred much earlier, but it is in that episode where we learn of Miranda Martin's disappearance; in Red John's Rules (Lorelei appears again in a video) the kidnapped victim is a baby. In two of the three cases, the kidnap victims are intended to be Red John "gifts" -- the are not vendetta or ransom kidnappings.

We still do not know about the motive of Miranda Martin's kidnapping. We Just know that it was facilitated by an agency that was supposed to care for vulnerable women; and subsequently that Miranda ended up dead. We also know that Kirkland was obsessed with the Lorelei case. His involvement could have something to do with her sister's case also. We just don't know what his personal interest with the Martins's is, yet it is the only RJ case where Kirkland/Homeland Security takes interest.

My guess is that HS has one set of reasons for pursuing RJ with regard to Lorelei, while Kirkland has a much deeper ulterior motive, a personal motive related to the deaths of Lorelei and her sister.

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Haffner is my #2 suspect. Now this is not a theory, but an observation. Maybe some of you can share your insights on this.

Lisbon dos not share important pieces of information with Jane (whereas she gets angry when Jane does not share information with her) or at least there are are some things she has not shared with Jane on camera. There are two things she has not shared with Jane (I may be wrong about the first one, so correct me if I am wrong).

1) She has not told Jane that Haffner is a member of Visualize

2) She did not think it was important to tell Jane that Haffner visited her in the hospital

We could assume that she did share this info with Jane, but not on the show. That actually seems more plausible than suggesting that she does not think it is important to tell him these things about a man who is on his list or that she is hiding information.

Or is it?

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I am accusing Partridge, but not for being Red John. If you can fathom that, please read on.

Red John is an individual, not a team or group. However, we know that he has disciples, helpers, sympathizers, and he uses assets to do some of his work and killings. We also know that some people are very willing and happy to die for Red John. No one revealed to know who Red John is has survived with the exception of Rosalind Harker.

This can explain a lot about some of the people on the list, but most especially the fate of the late Brett Partridge. The Tyger Tyger utterance most likely indicates that he knew Red John, and perhaps did some of the killings for him. He could be a very close asset who got to play the role of Red John and even at one point went under the alias of Roy Tagliaferro. Let's call that a pseudo-RJ, and there have been other Pesudo-RJs, such as Timothy Carter.

And this could explain why Partridge had to die first. He was a disposable asset, like Timothy Carter.

If this fits together, and we might find out whether it does in the upcoming episode, then I believe I have a pretty good idea of who Red John might be. But I'll withhold the rest of my theory, until this much at least is confirmed.

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Theory #6023 • By Saik13

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I have to credit to Toykantopcu http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/5941 for pointing this out.

I disagree with him/her about one thing: There's no smiley. But Toykantopcu is on to something. Thanks for mentioning Kubrick, that was key.

Toykantopcu observes a "Smiley" on the sign on The Rigsby's wedding carriage. Great observation. This is not insignificant, if the insight about Kubrick is on the mark. Here is what I'd like to add. (Since I cannot share the picture here, I will post the picture in the comments/argumentation section below right after I post this).

The hearts are eyes, the underline is a... frown. Not a smiley. But perhaps designing the sign in this way was intentional on the screen writers' part. They know people are looking for these kinds of things, people like toykantopcu, for instance, people looking for kubrickian symbology (Have you ever seen "Eyes Wide Shut"?).

If it is the case that placing it there is intentional, and we -- I include myself in the we -- are not just reading into it, and they are doing a kind of hat-tip to Stanley Kubrick, there's more to this than meets the eye.

Color scheme is important: Red and Blue.

Think of show titles. All red, shades of red, or red things up until episode nine of this season (2 exceptions: the "Pilot" and "Where in the World is Carmen O'Brien"). In this shot, two red hearts (okay, pink); two lovers departing from the scene on camera; they are also departing the show. We are very happy for them, but sad that they are leaving, hence the frown. The "red chapter" is also drawing to a close. Rigsby and Van Pelt were with us since the beginning of this chapter. And we are left standing here watching the ride away thinking, not only of their future, but the future of the show. Enter, Blue...

Blue flowers surround the frame. Rigsby and Rigsby (now) are are set in the frame, like the two pink hearts framed by the flowers (with almost "fearful symmetry" -- very Kubrik, indeed!).

Picture the sign on the carriage like the screen you are viewing. The frame of the screen never moves; what's in the frame is moving away. If the camera held this shot long enough, our "just married pink hearts" would eventually leave the screen. Applied to the sign, when the words just married and the pink hearts are removed, we are left with a blank slate surrounded by a blue frame. The next chapter, or the next episode at least, is Blue.

[Not quite a blank slate, though. More on that later… ]

Red and Blue are the only colors on the screen, besides black and white (ignore the green) This is intentional. Yet, there is one other thing. Red tail lights.

Ominous red tail lights, because we have a sense of foreboding for this couple, and we cannot help that, given the current state of affairs with Red John. Yet there is hope. The tail lights are not lit, which means two things. First, they are not stopping, they're going. --> Away.

Second, the are not as red as they could be. If they were lit -- carriage stopped -- they would really be red -- we'd be seeing RED and it would stand out. The lights are not red. Maybe we are being told not to worry.

Hence a frowny, not a smiley. Frown because we cry at weddings (did you cry?). Frown because this is NOT a sign for Red John, that is, RJ has not marked this couple -- a possible reading that I HOPE is right. Besides, why would Patrick, who I believe made this sign (he was late to the wedding because he was seeing to the details of their departure at the last minute -- 21 gun salute, carriage ride, and other little details from the detail man), why would he mark their carriage with Red John's mark? -- That man of attentiveness to details.

So, we are left with a happy ending for these two, after all. That's my theory anyway.

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RED GIVES WAY TO BLUE… I mentioned "more on this later," and I place this part in brackets to keep it separate from what I don't want mixed with anything I wrote above.

[Some of the things we find suspicious in the Red chapter are not things "Red John." They are things "Blue," things that were staring us right in the face and we were looking right at them, but we were looking for the wrong thing and looking at the wrong way. E.g., In episode 6.2, when Smith, McAllister, and Bertram are discussing Jane after he leaves Bertram's office, are you sure they are talking about how much he knows about Red John? Or could these creepy characters be talking about something else? Something will bleed into the next chapter, with blue blood, pun intended.]

One more thing. If you want to see more Red and Blue in this episode and eerily Kubrick-ish, go back as revisit the scene where Jane is taken hostage in the chapel. What do you see. The play on Red and Blue light in that dark chapel scene is eerily Kubrick-ish, in an eyes wide shut sort of way.

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If McAllister is now the top suspect for being startled by a pigeon that flew up in his face out of nowhere in a dark room, well, so is Lisbon.

McAllister and Lisbon should then be equally weighed as suspects, if you subscribe to pigeon theory.

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Whether you think it is plausible or unlikely, tell me if this did not cross your mind. I know this would be a terrible way to end it, but...

Why do Mr and Mrs Rigsby have to leave the show, if the new regulations allow them to continue on the team and be a couple? Weren't you nervous when the walked in front of that 21-gun salute -- especially with that creepy General Custer fellow in the firing squad? Foreshadowing maybe?

I would not like it either folks, but what better reason for them leaving the show can you give now? Is one of them dirty? Is one of them (or both) going down? You can't put it past Red John. In fact, you should expect it.

Whatever happens, we know one thing for sure: Bye Bye, Newlyweds.

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Who's being played for fools? The producers of this show are one step ahead of us, folks. Pigeon-phobia my foot.

Sherif Tom McAllister is a dude!

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