Please! For the love of the first 5 seasons + 6eps...BRING BACK RAY HAFFNER as RED JOHN!!!!!
I may have drank some off tea last night but I had a dream Haffner came back as RJ...and it was freaking phenomenal!!!!! I guess some dreams are better than bad tv scripts. lol ;-)
Anyone else ever feel like we the fans are Patrick Jane and Heller is Red John calling us on the phone
after each episode since ' Fire and Brim?'
We pick up and on the other end of the line, we hear Heller laughing at us?!?
Reminds me of the time Red John called Jane at the scene of Jared Renfrew's murder and the hooker's murder in 'Red John's Friends.'
The episode ended with Jane picking up the phone and Red John laughing devilishly into the phone.
Bingo.
Cho actually Smiled!!!!!!! Now that was a pleasant surprise. :-D First good thing to happen in a while.
Mexican jumping beans are pretty cool.
Hi Mentalist
Fans,
Anyone want to read a new lengthy post? I spend a lot of time on this just because I was curious! :) I was just doing it for my own research and curiosity but it occurred to me that some fans might be interested in seeing this. So, it's not an actual theory, but mostly a list that may or may not have any significance depending on how you view it. (and on how Heller & Co. wrote it and meant it).
So what I did was compiled a
list of names/words/phrases that could be possible drug references in The Mentalist, because I wanted to see how many
could be found and if it would reveal any insight into the show.
Keeping in mind that many of us are familiar with the show's story lines that often center around drugs and many drug references in the show, I wanted to see what I could find from a little digging.
*This drug list isn't for pointing to an actual suspect, but if you are curious as to why I think Red John is a certain suspect, I provided some comments on that at the end.
From the research
I’ve done, it may be possible that Red John and possibly Visualize, are the
heads of huge DRUG RINGS. Maybe the Blake Association works for them and
recruits people who will work for the BA because of their shady pasts or if
they made a mistake and need it cleaned up (ex: Reed Smith) so they do things
they don’t want to do for Red John in order to escape jail time.
I’m sure there
is even more to the drug story line, but I’ll get right to the list to save time.
Just thought
I’d share what I found with all of you regarding the drug references in case
you are interested
On some of
these I was surprised and said, What? WOW! ;-) Even if you don't agree, at least it's another post to read if you are longing for more Mentalist info. There was more I could have posted, but it's long enough as it is.Even if it doesn't end up being what Heller intended, I still found it VERY interesting!
I have no idea if any of this is relevant so please don't take it as I think every single word is a definite clue. I just wanted to see how many I could find that may be POSSIBLE clues from the writers. With that in mind, hope you have fun with it! :)
SOURCES used:
1) http://www.noslang.com/drugs/dictionary/p/
2) www.urbandictionary.com
3) http://onlineslangdictionary.com/thesaurus/words+meaning+drugs.html
4) http://casapalmera.com/top-20-drugs-and-their-street-names/
POSSIBLE DRUG REFERENCES in The Mentalist:
1) Tiger = HEROIN
2) Tiger, Tiger= Heroin, Heroin (ride
the tiger=inject heroin, psychedelic consciousness after injecting
hallucinogenic drugs)
3) White Tiger = Cocaine
4) Red John (Jack slang for John) = to steal
someone else’s drugs
5) Red=under the influence of drugs
6) Red BOOK- =100 dosage units of LSD
7) (red) John (Jack)-to steal someone’s drugs
8) Fire & Brimstone = Crack Cocaine,
Meth
9) Pumping (iron) =Selling Crack
10) PAT
JANE (Patrick Jane) = Marijuana, Marijuana
11) Spider = Heroin
12) Tea=Marijuana,
phencyclidine
13)***3
DOTS=LSD, drug trafficker, Line of cocaine, 3 Dots on shoulders could signify
being a drug trafficker. Blake Association, Tiger Tiger, could be code for
Heroin.
14) Dove
(Pigeon)= $35 worth of of cocaine – 1 oz of crack cocaine
15) Dove
(Pigeon) eating seeds out of hands or on ground=taking a drug orally
16) Bird
seeds- marijuana
17) Smiley
Face= Cocaine Happy Face= Cocaine
18) Tiger,
Tiger –handsome, beautiful, seductive killer and/or drug dealer (Red John)
19) Lamb-could
signify Red John’s followers and victims. Following with the drug theme, his
followers could be addicted to him and to the drugs and Highs he provides. Drug
addicts will do often do anything for a fix. They will give up their families,
steal, are beholden to their dealers and feel they owe them. Drug dealers are
manipulators. Drugs steal your life. They make you someone you are really not.
Lambs/Addicts are led to the slaughter by their tigers.
20) Grey
Water= Grey Blunts, PCP, GHB, methamphetamine
21) Black
Helicopters= marijuana, opium, methamphetamine, CONSPIRACY THEORIES
22) White
Lines-Cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine lines
23) Golden
Hammer- marijuana cigarettes
24) White
as the driven snow-cocaine, heroin, amphetamine
25) Green
Thumb- inferior quality marijuana, big joint the size of a thumb
26) (My)Blue
heaven- LSD, hallucinogen, depressants, oxycotin, crack cocaine
27) Hubba Pigeons (white dove) – MDMA (ecstasy), crack users looking for rocks (drugs) on
the floor after a police raid
28) Birdhead-LSD
29) Birdie
powder-cocaine, heroin
30) Hunter-cocaine
31) Red
& Blue-depressants (red-under influence of drugs)
32) White-coke
33) ROLL
TIDE- Uttered after dipping tea into water. Riding the wave of drugs. Under influence of drugs. Signifies victory
in face of extreme adversity. To experience the effects of ecstasy.
34) Belladonna-PCP
35) Sniff-cocaine
up nose
36) Snow-cocaine,
heroin
37) Black-marijuana,
opium, meth
38) Pot-marijuana.
Also Haffner means pot or dish. Could be double meaning.
39) Haffner
is whistling,”Jimmy Crack Corn” as he leaves Lisbon’s hospital room. “Crack
Corn” is a rock solid form of cocaine. Years ago, makeshift crack pipes were
made from hollowed out corn cobs and it was called “cracking corn.”
40) Patrick
Jane’s eyes are dilated through each episode. = sign of being under hypnosis or
on drugs. Could be subplot of where Patrick Jane really is. (Ex: in mental
hospital imagining all of what is going on)
41) VERY INTERESTING: In
the episode, Red John, Jane’s wife and daughter are listed in the credits as
being in Jane’s “hallucination.” Then the next episode is titled, My Blue
Heaven, which refers to LSD, a hallucinogenic drug.
That makes it a reasonable
theory that Jane may have ended up in a coma or is still suffering from a
hallucinogen after the blast and the audience hasn’t seen or been told who
really died in the blast (if anyone) or if the blast even happened or who Red
John really is.
OTHER THOUGHTS:
Since
they never showed us the bodies of Haffner or Stiles and "said" they were dead...(but then again they originally said MacAllister was dead and he turned up alive)
then just abandoned the story and zoomed
ahead 2 years (how convenient) It never made sense that the suspects would meet
Jane on his terms, at a time and place he dictated, not knowing what Jane
really wanted, especially when they were not friends with Jane.
It also makes absolutely NO SENSE the suspects would go there unarmed (with a SECOND gun on their leg or somewhere else on their body) we didn't see Jane pat them down and look for other weapons. Also, the 3 dot tattoo seems to not be a very credible clue.
** I think Jane must've realized this when he saw 3 of them had it and 2 did not. maybe he told Bertram, Smith and MacCalister to go over to the other side because he realized that it was either Haffner or Stiles who now had to be Red John!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In
the episode, Devil’s Cherry, Charlotte (Jane’s daughter) shows up and we see
part of the team meet her as well when Jane and Charlotte are talking. We as
viewers see this as part of Jane’s hallucination from ingesting the Belladonna
which is highly probable.
It could also be interpreted as Jane is still in the
mental institution, because Lisbon seems to know who Charlotte is and then when
Jane is surprised at this, they look at Jane and say to Charlotte, Here he goes
again. It could make us wonder if Lisbon and the team are actually doctors in
his hospital and he’s hallucinating that they are members of the CBI with him
hunting Red John.
Also, during the episode, we see Patrick lying
on a hospital bed talking with Charlotte. The part where Charlotte asks Patrick
if anyone knows who he really is and then he says, Lisbon. Part of the time he
was chained down in the bed (& dressed as if in a mental hospital) and part
of the time he isn’t. It made me wonder if The Mentalist has been Jane in the
mental hospital the entire 1-6 years of the show and Charlotte is actually
alive and visiting him in the mental hospital. Could reality be that he’s been in
there the whole time? I hope not. That’s probably a stretch, but it did make me
wonder.
If that’s not it, then
maybe his subconscious or the belladonna was talking to him in Charlotte’s form
to get him to realize how important Lisbon really is in his life and not just
as someone to help him catch Red John. (We don’t really know for sure because of how
the writers wrote this, but it does get us thinking all sorts of things doesn’t
it?)
I don’t see
a lot of drug references with Haffner, but maybe that is because he is the drug
kingpin! The smarter drug dealers don’t use up their own merchandise. But some
do use their own drugs and perhaps Red John became involved with drugs as a way
to “escape” a troubled upbringing.
Cults like Visualize who are often experts at finding prey who have mother issues and father issues with father figures that young adults are in need of, (ex: Bret for Ray) could take advantage of that and use it
for their personal gain. Then that person could seem in control on the outside,
but inside and in secret they can really be a serial killer. The way the clues
led me personally, made me think 100% that Ray Haffner is Red John
(But really, any intriguing,
reasonable, logical storyline Heller wrote with clues that led to the correct
suspect would be satisfying. It’s not so much about WHO Red John turns out to
be, it’s more of HOW did Heller & Co. write the clues and did the clues tie
into the storylines that were written and explain and lead to a satisfying and
believable reveal?)
Which for many of us, hasn’t happened yet.
& for me that hasn’t happened unless Haffner ends up being Red John).
Of course,
this is just my opinion & I’m not pushing it on anyone. But for me, the
clues led to Ray for the reasons stated in my previous posts, as well as:
Considering
Haffner’s background in black ops & surveillance, his age, body type,
handsome face and charming personality, his ties to Visualize, CBI, FBI, most
likely Elliston farm, his competitiveness with Jane, his interest in Lisbon,
injecting himself into cases he has no real business being a part of, getting
funding for his private practice from Brett Stiles/Visualize, how he takes over
Lisbon’s position in CBI and asks Cho who is smarter (asked as a device to see
what the team thinks regarding Jane and how strong their loyalties are to him,
to find out what Jane knows about Red John.)
Faking the fear of the spider,
playing down his intelligence sometimes to fool people into thinking he’s not
as smart as he is when he is very clearly a highly intelligent person as part of
a team or a leader in the FBI, CBI, Black ops, his own business, etc…
Haffner has a
narcissistic and volatile emotional makeup, he fakes concern and is really
furthering his own agenda and trying to gain information he needs (going to
Lisbon’s hospital room). When he said he was headed down a bad path before
joining Visualize, he could be a sociopath hiding in plain sight and I still
feel he is Red John.
These are
just some things I thought about that I compiled in my spare time. (In other
words, when I had time between classes and when The Mentalist went on leave.) Thanks for reading!
Hope Sunday’s show is a good one for all our sakes! :-D
Well Yeah, we see Rigsby's flashlight goes to the knife in his chest and then looks up for a moment at the wall as if he's thinking, oh boy here we go again...which from his look we are led to think it was the Red John smiley face. But I just wanted to SEE it. ; )
I realized it was unrealistic to think they'd give us THAT much...but still, I was hoping...for all of us.
I mean they're making us wait till march for crying out loud. hopefully that is what Rigsby saw. But I guess we'll find out nearly around spring time. lol no long wait or anything.......
I can't believe they are making us wait that long!! There they go torturing the viewers again!
But I guess we shouldn't be surprised. They are good at torture...they created Red John after all.
Van Pelt also left Risby a voice mail to meet her instead of calling her back...so it's possible that Red John could knock out Rigsby and go after Van Pelt or since he may be the one bugging their phones...RJ will know where to grab up Van Pelt off guard. We shall see...
Hope I don't get hit by a bus or anything in the next 2 months...I'd hate to die without seeing the way this Red Joh storyline ends. LOL
Hopefully when Haffner comes back as Red John and maybe even Stiles as part of the big Visualize tie-in...they won't put their real names on the opening credits...that way it will be really powerful when Red John returns!
Well, we can dream right...they can't take that away from us. ; )
***Continue reading this post ONLY IF you've already watched tonight's episode.***
Was anyone else with me on the edge of their couches tonight for the last 30 seconds of the show...REALLY hoping that after what we just saw WR find...
that an RJ smiley face would appear..........
Or at least that WR would get conked on the head? Something. Anything. To keep the dream alive.
hi mentalist fans, (reposting because myusername was misspelled) :) thanks.
just connecting with everyone again and wanted to share something.
i truly believe as many of us do that the red johnsaga is not over.
there are so many fascinating theories on this site and i truly enjoy reading them! especially since the last episodes have "seemed" rather boring and pointless without rj or our much desired flashbacks and explanations....
so we all have our preference as to who would make the most exciting, nefarious, compelling red john...which is cool. you can see from my name who i love as red john ;-D and i still believe 100% that haffner is red john. and that stiles and visualize play a major part in rj's storyline.
what i find exceedingly important is the title of the most disappointing episode "my blue heaven." because "blue heaven" is slang/street name for the drug LSD!! a hallucinogenic drug...*****************
just sayin i believe this to be a vital clue from heller that the blue heaven episode and all others eppys since then are a hallucination of jane's. i cant even express how much i hope this to be true and believe it is true.
plus jane's 'blue' tea cup broke...could be a clue...
i feel that we still have yet to see what took place inside jane's where the suspects were gathered and it is yet to be revealed who is still alive and who is actually dead. the sheriff is red john episode was a joke...the whole thing was the absolute worst. so, if heller is as good as i think he is and has been for most of the series, i believe we are in for the most exciting reveal and confrontation that we've been hoping for! Just being optimistic and hoping for a satisfying final rj reveal and personally i still believe red john is ray haffner!