Who is Red John

Hi guys.For those who didn't see the leaked episode, I envy you. ;)
What didn't work:
First 15-20 minutes dedicated on how Jane persuades Abbot to let him go and meet Bertram.
He finally meets Bertram, and then it comes out that McAlister is Red John and FAKED his own death.Really?(sweet irony)
Red John made circles around Jane for six+ years, he managed to make a remarkable organization with tremendous power over the Law Enforcement.He was ultra smart, in some cases he made us believe he has psychic powers indeed.
I like this particular actor to be Red John, I just can't stand the way that he was revealed and the way that he died, crying and begging for mercy over his mortal enemy.
Remember Dumar from season 1 finale?He died laughing and saying "Red John".That's how it was meant to be.And that was the episode.So many unanswered questions.
Seriously, I've read theories for RJ's identity in this site that are 1000 times better than this finale.So obvious, so expected with zero meaning.

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Based on my poll, the 90% of you guys, believe that "Red John" episode will be better than the season 3 finale. HIGH expectations for the upcoming episode.I hope we won't be disappointed.And I say I hope, because we NEED a big twist to be revealed so we can be satisfied.For me, the perfect scenario would be that Red John is not on the list, or if he is, at least it must be some of the 5 (Partridge, Kirkland, Haffner, Stiles, McAlister). But let's face facts.

1)Gale Bertram.
+He has a lot of power, resources etc.
+He seems pretty strong, determined, mysterious in a way
+He is obsessed with the media and the PR, just like Red John who doesn't like to be exposed on the media.

-He tried to kill Jane
-When he speaks to the phone he says: 'I've just had an interesting conversation with Patrick Jane", while Red John calls him with his first name.
-He doesn't know how to bluff on poker.(Seriously?)
-He doesn't fit either Rosalind Harker's or Sophie Miller's descriptions
-He seems to be more like Red John's informer.

2)Bret Stiles.
+Great sources, huge power
+Presents similar skills as Patrick's with people like hypnosis, manipulation, persuasion, good posture, good speech skills.
+He is mysterious and exciting character

-He is probably dead, and even he isn't, he has only a couple of weeks left.
-He is too old.
-While he kinda fits the Rosalind description, he doesn't fit the psychiatrist's one
-He seems that he really wants to help Jane catch Red John

3)Ray Haffner.
+Links to Visualize and Law enforcement (both involved)
+Fits the two women descriptions
+Lisbon asked him if he was at the Eliston Farm, and he answered 'Teressa we are still friends, right?" suggesting he was.
+He obviously likes Lisbon so he didn't kill her.

-He appears to be kinda stupid in some cases.1)When he was for one episode the boss of Jane, he set him up easily.2)He said indirectly to Lisbon that he is at the Visualise.
-He is probably dead.(That's not sure though.)
-He clearly has a secret.The thing is:What that secret is about?

4)Reede Smith
+Ok I have really a hard time here. :)

-Both descriptions are out
-Not many things to say, he is just another corrupted cop with lack or sources and power.
-He was about to pull his gun and shoot Jane at the 'Fire and Brimstone'
-So high tempered, bully, with lack of restraint.

5)Bob Kirkland/Michael Kirkland
+Fits perfectly the two descriptions.
+Mysterious, creepy, secretive, sneaky, clever, twisted, wicked, determined
+Has the links to Red John (one way or another)
+GREAT actor (ok I needed to say that).Would make the perfect Red John for me.

-One of the two brothers is certainly dead.

6)Sheriff Thomas McAlister.
+Fits the descriptions
+Wants to be friend with Patrick(He calls him that way)
+As a Sheriff he has enough time and the links.
+He is an excellent shooter, like Red John.He also saved Patrick at 6x03
+While he seems a social and easy person to communicate, something dark appears to his general emotional make up.

-He is possibly dead.
-We haven't seen him that much in the show in general.
-At episode 1x02 he lost repeatedly in "rock paper scissors" from Jane.(Would Red John do that? :D)

7)Brett Partridge.
+Perfect actor, and character to be Red John
+He is in the investigation of Red John.(common sociopath's profile)
+In every crime scene that he meets Jane, he states the opposite of the things that really happen probably to watch how Jane will react.
+Perfect theatrical skills by the character, creepy, crazy, mysteriously happy at the same time
+Fits both descriptions

-He is probably dead
-He doesn't seem to like Jane a lot
-Lack of sources and power

*I still believe that Red John could be someone that is not in the list.Suppose you are Heller, and you just thought of a brilliant plot about Red John(who isn't on the list).And then in an interview they ask you: "Red John is on the list?"
What would you answer?If you say no, then you give out a HUGE spoiler.If you choose not to answer the question, then it will start to be suspicious.If you say "yes' then you'll be considered as a liar.So Heller replied 'you can trust the list'.So clever answer.

*You might want to check out a clue that i found.
http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/13493#disqus_thread

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I read people's observations about things that they notice during the 6th season's episodes and I must say, I'm impressed.First of all, because you guys show your passion for the show this way.Secondly, due to your high observation skills, we can all be a part in this magical trip.Thank you all.

*Watching some older episodes I realized something.And no, I don't think it's a fault in the scene.

I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.

Lorelei Martins at Jason Lennon's house:
http://postimg.org/image/wnmr3aap9/
Here,as you can see, Lorelei has an arm wound from a bullet.

Lorelei Martins at her death scene:
http://postimg.org/image/6543ukbzh/ NOT a major clue but still
http://postimg.org/image/lck3ex3u5/

Two weeks after she decides to confront Red John by herself, she's found dead.This time without her arm wound.Strange isn't it?How is it physically possible an arm wound from a bullet to heal only in two weeks?

The thing is getting more complicated.
Lorelei in the video Red John made for Jane:
http://postimg.org/image/f92iv0dkd/ The wound miraculously returns?!Also Lorelei appears to be beaten up by Red John.Assuming the video is made a few days (1-2) before Red John killed Lorelei, the whole thing doesn't make any sense.

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What do you think??
The "Red John" episode will be better than the season 3 finale episode "Strawberries and Cream"

GREEN - Agree
RED - Disagree

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Let's cover all our bases. :)

The hospital scene with Kirkland and Jason Lennon is one of the most PUZZLING scenes in the whole series.
There are two possibilities:
1)It is Bob Kirkland at the scene.So, what do we got?Kirkland asks if Lennon recognizes him.That makes total sense by the time he has a twin brother that he thinks Red John killed.Depending on Lennon's answer he would be able to get the information whether his brother is killed or not by Red John.
Kirkland: "Do you recognize me?Have you seen me before?Look close"
Lennon answers: "No"
Kirkland: "Are you sure?It's important."
Lennon: "Yes"
After that he takes out the injection and kills Lennon.WHY?We already know that Kirkland chases Red John as well, so killing a key-person to the case makes no sense.Some could say He wanted to make sure that Jane would not have the information Lennon could provide.But still, watch the S06EP04, Bob Kirkland tortures people and is being so aggressive, so determined, so sure for himself.He MUST do it till the end.At least he could ask him a couple of questions about Red John before killing him.THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

2)It is Michael Kirkland at the scene.What we got there?Killing Lennon makes TOTAL sense, for keeping away from Jane all the things that Lennon knew.So why is it so DAMN important about Lennon recognizing him or not?What's the point?I mean, if he was Red John, Lennon's answer is weird.Some might say he has lost his memory.That's impossible.Here's why:
Kirkland: 'You are in Sacramento Hospital, you've been shot.Do you remember that?"
Lennon: "Lorelei Martins"
Kirkland: "Correct.Your mind is CLEAR"
Some other might say that Lennon indeed recognized Kirkland as being Red John, and he answered "No" because he was afraid that if he would be able to recognize RJ, he must die.But that theory is rejected too.Why?Look at the expression on the face of Lennon.He clearly seems troubled trying to identify the guy that stands in front of him.
Last possibility:Lennon knows that Red John has a twin brother, and he answers no because he is not sure if the person that he is talking to is either Red John or his twin brother.In my opinion, there are a lot of scenes that puzzle the audience, and Bruno Heller is obligated to give the answers.

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I can assure you that Gale Bertram is NOT Red John.When Jane reveals at the media the name, I realized it.Jane wouldn't give Red John so easy, especially after the reveal of the "Blake association". He would try to track him down and kill him instead.

Bertram tried to kill Jane.Red John would never do that except he was 100% sure that Jane identifies him and he CAN kill him.Remember that Red John tested Jane's reaction in the reveal of Timothy Carter's as Red John.He knows how is gonna happen and he wants to prevent it in his 'fight" with Jane.Moreover it would be the stupid finale that everyone is gonna HATE.
Finally, I want to point out that Bertram runs away because he knows the two possibilities:
1)Surrenders and is killed by Red John or an accomplice in the 'Blake association",
2)Runs away to protect himself.
The thing that puzzles me is why Oscar Cordero is so willing to help him escape and not just kill him as it was going to happen with Reede Smith.

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Ooh look...Now it appears that from the 7 suspects only Brett Partridge is off the "Red John" episode cast...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3196216/

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