Who is Red John?

Theories of MrsJohn (9)

Ok first oh all bring Stiles back!!! He was my most favourite and the most interesting character if you ask me. Along with an explanation of Visualize connection?!!!! That horrible send off was the biggest injustice to one of the only truly developed yet still mysterious characters in the series. I would love some crazy spin that Visualize was actually good all along!! Fighting the BA with their cult like blood pouring over naked girl ways. But that's just because I love Stiles mahaha

I have a feeling lots of RJ things could be explained in Black Heli episode. This was the prelude of more explanation into RJ (golden hammer)...Heller knows he will go to the grave with ppl hating him and have his reputation ruined if he doesn't give at least SOME explanations to the RJ storyline in next 3 episodes (what idiot wouldn't realize this??).

So now that I have my personal feelings aside lol .... how do you people feel about all the non-Red colour shows? As much as I loathe McAlli for RJ, I have the gut feeling it implies Red john is no longer with us (whoever he was). Why else would they all of a sudden start removing RED themed titles? I hate McAlli for RJ as much as the next guy but we really have to wonder don't we....

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Season 6, Episode 9: The way Jane kicks the child abusing, dog killing, drug trafficking loser low life of a human being right in the behind!!! You just knew after he saw that nice guy burying his dog Jane was in it to win it. Best moment of the entire series.

And the concieredge guy cheering him on as he leaves the island was the cherry on top!

Then there was Cho's little smile as Patrick goes into the FBI room. I was totally disappointed with the whole RJ episode but this butt kicking moment alone was total redemption for last week's disappointing "reveal"!

Now Heller, explain to us more about the RJ story line. There needs to be more if you're going to do any justice to the RJ plot which is basically the plot of the entire series.

P.S. who hates the black FBI guy!!! Such a snot.

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For all you Canadians out there - RJ is Toronto Mayor ROB FORD !!!

My evidence:

1) He drives an Escalade! Only a serial killer and/or environment hater would do this. Where else would he store the bodies when transporting them?

2) He engages in illegal activity on a regular basis - prostitutes, affiliating with known drug dealers, smoking crack, uttering racist and homophobic slurs, etc.

And these are just the things we KNOW about, people. My mother taught me that these are the kind of people that end up in jail. Bad morals = breeding grounds for serial murderers.

3) He is losing his cult of followers slowly but surely, day by day. One only has to see the photo of him seeing alone in chamber to know his "political" followers have converted to the Tyger Tyger organization. Their last attempt to remove all his power has him screaming for more!

4) Patrick Jane (aka Canadian citizens) will bring him down this very week! We know this from reading Spoiler TV reviews (aka Toronto Star).

5) Despite him being a terrible role model, generally unintelligent and useless to the world, he still manages to attract intelligent, petite and reasonably attractive women (his wife in particular), traits we know to be true of the infamous serial killer RJ.

6) One just needs to hear his jolly old laugh to know that he can really lay on the charm and charisma when the time calls for it. Whether or not this certain charm and charisma is aided by the use of illegal substances or the flask under his desk, we may never know.

Torontonians, you know it to be true in your hearts ... ROB FORD is RJ!!!

Non-Canadians, google it. You'll believe it as soon as you see the pictures and read the scandalous illicit stories as of late.

5 more sleeps 5 more sleeps 5 more sleeps

Sunday is going to be better than Christmas people!!!

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Before I start, can I just say how much I hate Partridge for RJ ?! He would be SO TYPICAL and not at all realistic. Ugh. If you need a detailed explanation of why I believe Partridge is not RJ read my previous post: http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/12777

I have been thinking about his dying words - the Tyger Tyger comment (I say his dying words as I do believe he is dead - Lisbon is not that stupid people, and she has worked with dead people her whole career, she didn't just 'think' he was dead ok?). So my question is do you think he, like Kirkland, was onto the Blake Association? Maybe nerdy Partridge who was always fascinated by the RJ cases actually had figured out more than we think he did? Maybe he was trying to tell Lisbon. I mean as much as I hate his character, he does seem reasonably smart, just not RJ-uber-intelligent-manipultive-woman seducer-smart! lol  And definitely seems the type to do 'underground' research outside of the CBI official realm. Especially if he had suspicions that there are moles within the CBI/FBI.

I sense he was trying to alert Lisbon about the BA as opposed to seeing if she was a member (who really cares when you're dying who else is a member!). Maybe we will see Partridge turn out to be 'good' or at least one of the more humane members of the BA trying to end it as a final death wish.  I mean, if he was actually dying, he would KNOW he is dying (he is forescenic person after
all), so would saying Tyger Tyger to Lisbon really 'save' him in anyway
if he knew he was going to die anyway
? Or was he trying to alert Lisbon to the
Blake Association? If so how much did he know and why did RJ kill him?

So I'm wondering what fans think of Partridge either being a.....

a) SECRET SPY OFF THE RADAR i.e. getting killed because he found out about the Blake Association (and possibly dets on RJ if it turns out RJ is related to the BA, which most would presume he is in some manner or another). I like the sounds of this but it's too similar to what happened with Kirkland so my heart is saying there must be more to it... Heller wouldn't repeat same scenario twice.

b) BAD PRISONER him being killed as a way to expose the Blake Association?  This would make sense if he is a member which we have been lead to believe with the burned arm/tattoo. He was killed by RJ (or a follower on orders) bc he was some sort of threat to the organization. Knew too much or wanted to leave? Or RJ wanted to prove to Patrick he would kill ppl on his list of 7? Just ideas, not sure about this one...

OR

c) GOOD PRISONER: He was a member of the Blake Association b/c he needed a cover up once early in his career, but knew how bad the organization was overall for society ... or maybe he didn't know at first, but eventually found he was working for a notorious serial killer and got nauseous about it... so overall knew the whole organization is in terrible moral methodology so he therefore wanted to expose the BA .... especially since he knew he was going to die anyway!

I think "C" makes the most sense given the evidence (specifically what he said to Lisbon and the tattoo presumably - but not for sure- being removed). But I am wondering what others think about why Partridge was killed. Remember RJ only kills men who get in the way....

Hit Green if you think Partridge was trying to alert Lisbon of the Blake Association! Red if you still believe him to be RJ or just a low life member with no good intentions.

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Long time Mentalist fan here. Hear me out before you vote! And be sure to read my last paragraph, as this is not a point that has been brought up already and I think you may agree even if you don't like Mashburn for RJ :)

Overall, I still don't buy Heller's "trust the list" nonsense. Sure maybe "a" list but not the list of 7. He has mislead us with his selective use of words many times. I also don't believe we can trust any of the women's accounts of RJ. I think people on here are really taking these two things too literally. The mentalist does not 'do' literal people! There is ALWAYS a twist, or someone screwing with Patrick's head (usually RJ and his followers)...and the writer's screwing with ours (need I remind anyone of Timothy Carter - and his weirdo family). And do we actually believe the women who have been RJ's lovers to be trustworthy of providing major clues to identify him?

As another commenter wrote, it has to be someone we are somewhat familiar with to do justice in one episode and not have people freaking out about it. Anyone from the list of 7 is WAY TOO PREDICTABLE (dead or not). The twin stories or Jane's dad/past Carnival entanglements, although creative, are too far fetched for a
mentalist plot if you ask me...maybe they will contribute to the WHY of the RJ theory in the end but they won't be the actual RJ/ring leader. While I don't actually like Mashburn's character for RJ (not enough air time) .... and I am still hoping Stiles has some play in all of this as he's an amazing actor.... Mashburn's the only one who actually makes sense when you look at personal characteristics of the RJ character, that we as an audience know to be true. If Bret Stiles is actually dead, the only other person that has even
remote characteristics of RJ is Mashburn
, who (in all fairness to
Heller) is on the 'other' list that was not released to the team (which I agree with others who have said Patrick would NEVER release the real list to the team). The Sheriff, Haffner, Reede, Bertrum, Virgil and
Patridge even are such boring and mundane characters who would never in
real life be RJ
- followers or BA members for sure, but not RJ. Really, anyone from the
list of 7 would be such a disappointment to viewers at this point and
Heller knows it.  Plus not at all realistic when looking at character traits in a series! There had better be a twist or this is not a mentalist
storyline
.

And for my most important Mashburn evidence ... this is of up most importance ... Mashburn is the only male character I'd actually sleep with other than PJ himself. You laugh ahahha .. but we know Lisbon felt the same.... and he is the ONLY person whom she has slept with on the entire show! No average county Sheriff, desperate detective (Haffner), obese weirdo with small eyes and puffy face (Reede), or worst of all - nerdy half child with no social skills (Patridge) would ever be capable of seducing all those educated, beautitful young women! I'm telling you Mentalist fans, the only man that got in all those ladies pants was someone somewhat good looking, good with women, charming and charismatic. Take any educated, successful, beautiful woman, describe their appearance and characteristics and ask her who she'd go for. Haffner is good looking sure but ppl generally don't like him and he gives off major "DESPERATO" vibes which mostly just make real women run, such as Lisbon (and myself if I was in the Mentalist of course). If any of you think that anyone on those lists, other than PJ or Mashburn would make women drop their panties on a dime, ya'll smokin' Rob Fords crack.

So I know you're all attached to 'your RJ' but you have to admit that the personal characteristics of most of the main characters discussed here do not = RJ capabilities. I loved Stiles sooo much for RJ or at least closely related to in some way, but it's just not going to be a reality is it (tear). So alas I will be disappointed with the red sweater wearing, boat driving Mashy. And for once Heller will speak the direct truth, and I will be disappointed!

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Long time Mentalist fan here. Hear me out before you vote! And be sure to read my last paragraph, as this is not a point that has been brought up already and I think you may agree even if you don't like Mashburn for RJ :)

Overall,
I still don't buy Heller's "trust the list" nonsense. Sure maybe "a"
list but not the list of 7. He has mislead us with his selective use of words
many times. I also don't believe we can trust any of the women's
accounts of RJ. I think people on here are really taking these two
things too literally. The mentalist does not 'do' literal people!
There is ALWAYS a twist, or someone screwing with Patrick's head
(usually RJ and his followers)...and the writer's screwing with ours
(need I remind anyone of Timothy Carter - and his weirdo family). And do we actually believe the women who have been RJ's lovers to be trustworthy of providing major clues to identify him?

As
another commenter wrote, it has to be someone we are somewhat familiar
with to do justice in one episode and not have people freaking out about
it. Anyone from the list of 7 is WAY TOO PREDICTABLE (dead or
not). The twin stories or Jane's dad/past Carnival entanglements,
although creative, are too far fetched for a
mentalist plot if you ask me...maybe they will contribute to the WHY of
the RJ theory in the end but they won't be the actual RJ/ring leader.
While I don't actually like Mashburn's character for RJ (not enough air
time) .... and I am still hoping Stiles has some play in all of this as
he's an amazing actor.... Mashburn's the only one who actually makes
sense when you look at personal characteristics of the RJ character,
that we as an audience know to be true. If Bret Stiles is actually dead, the only other person that has even
remote characteristics of RJ is Mashburn
, who (in all fairness to
Heller) is on the 'other' list that was not released to the team
(which I agree with others who have said Patrick would NEVER release the
real list to the team). The Sheriff, Haffner, Reede, Bertrum, Virgil and
Patridge even are such boring and mundane characters who would never in
real life be RJ
- followers or BA members for sure, but not RJ. Really, anyone from the
list of 7 would be such a disappointment to viewers at this point and
Heller knows it.  Plus not at all realistic when looking at character traits in a series! There had better be a twist or this is not a mentalist
storyline
.

And for my most important Mashburn evidence ... this is of up most importance ... Mashburn is the only male character I'd actually sleep with other than PJ himself. You laugh ahahha .. but we know Lisbon felt the same.... and he is the ONLY person whom she has slept with on the entire show!
No average county Sheriff, desperate detective (Haffner), obese weirdo
with small eyes and puffy face (Reede), or worst of all - nerdy half
child with no social skills (Patridge) would ever be capable of seducing
all those educated, beautitful young women! I'm telling you Mentalist
fans, the only man that got in all those ladies pants was someone somewhat good looking, good with women, charming and charismatic.
Take any educated, successful, beautiful woman, describe their
appearance and characteristics and ask her who she'd go for. Haffner is
good looking sure but ppl generally don't like him and he gives off
major "DESPERATO" vibes which mostly just make real women run, such as
Lisbon (and myself if I was in the Mentalist of course). If any of you think that anyone on those lists, other than PJ or Mashburn would make women drop their panties on a dime, ya'll smokin' Rob Fords crack.

So I know you're all attached to 'your RJ' but you have to admit that the personal characteristics of most of the main characters discussed here do not = RJ capabilities.
I loved Stiles sooo much for RJ or at least closely related to in some
way, but it's just not going to be a reality is it (tear). So alas I
will be disappointed with the red sweater wearing, boat driving Mashy.
And for once Heller will speak the direct truth, and I will be disappointed!

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Who else is disappointed with no more 'red' titles after episode 8?

My Blue Heaven, Green Thumb, and White Lines....  No RED anything

Hit green if you're looking forward to the story moving on

Hit red if you're sad to see the RJ story go :(


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