Who is Red John?

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I am impressed by the many compelling ideas supporting each suspect as RJ.  That notwithstanding, I really hope some of the suspects turn out to be good guys -- or at least normal human beings (good intentions, serious flaws but also some positive characteristics).

In particular, just how many psychopathic serial killers -- and devoted followers of a psychopathic serial killer -- can there be in law enforcement in one area?!  RJ is striking because psychopathic serial killers are rare.  It is quite a stretch to assume that even criminals would be willing to accompany RJ down such a heinous path, much less be willing to die for RJ.

Also, while the conspiracy theories are fun, it strikes me as weak if the plot depends on widespread evil, with the lone exception of Lisbon's virtuous, heroic team.  Ordinary failings often are quite enough to explain dishonorable or questionable behavior.  For instance, Bertram was perfectly willing to write Jane off after he killed Timothy Carter.  This is perfectly in keeping with an excessively ambitious bureaucrat/politician whose commitment to his subordinates ends when they cease to further his career.  (BTW, try as I might, I can't reconcile the plaque for bravery in Bertram's office with a RJ personality, regardless of the other clues suggesting Bertram might be RJ.  Bravery -- especially the aspect of risking self for another -- seems incompatible with the absolute self-referential nature of RJ.  RJ appears to place zero value on any person or belief system except his own.)  Kirkland's murder of Jason Lennon isn't far from the ruthless values and actions sometimes required of spies.  If Lennon were a covert agent "turned" by RJ (as Kirkland said, Lennon allowed himself to become the "plaything of monsters"), Kirkland might have killed Lennon to protect some larger investigation.  Anyhow, it's too precious for all virtue to reside in Lisbon's team with evil widespread among other law-enforcement teams and agencies.

Just a thought.  Thanks for reading this.

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Please forgive my digression, but this is a comment on S6E1 in general rather than a RJ theory.  S6E1 was exciting, but I was disappointed that some of the episode didn't hold together very well.

Cody Benbow - Why would he take J hostage and walk him out into a group of at least 6 armed law-enforcement officers?  Exciting, but it would have made a lot more sense for him to have left J in the house, tied and gagged, while trying to casually escape alone.  Illogical.

Lisbon as manager - Okay, L and J have widely differing ideas on how to proceed.  But as an experienced manager, she shouldn't just circumvent J as soon as he doesn't have an instant plan to deal with RJ's knowledge of the list.  J repeatedly asked for time to think, but is instead required to solve two ordinary cases.  Poor management decision.

Lisbon as leader - After 9+ years of working with J, everyone on the team realizes J brings unequaled insight to the cases.  J has the deepest knowledge of the RJ case.  Why wouldn't she try to talk - in depth! - with J as to his reasons for refusing to involve the team and about her ideas on how to proceed?  Wouldn't it make more sense to try to get as much information about J's thinking on all aspects before proceeding on a different track?  L always has the official authority to direct her team members (e.g., Van Pelt bugging phones).  L doesn't need to circumvent J to go ahead with what L considers best.  L looks weak and incompetent as a leader by being unwilling to argue up front with J before doing what she considers best anyhow.

Lisbon with experience on RJ case - After years of being thwarted by RJ, L should be convinced ordinary investigative procedures won't work.  RJ has repeatedly violated the supposedly secure CBI computer system and has extensive knowledge about her team's activities.  And yet L a) phones Van Pelt at her desk in CBI to discuss secret information and b) believes bugging the suspects' phones will be undetected and effective!  This is pretty thin.  It makes L look like she's acting out of fear or desperation--inconsistent with the character.

L as experienced law enforcement professional - After J's explicit warning that RJ would use the bugged phones to lead L's team to wherever RJ wanted, the same day L responds to an anonymous request for help directed to her team at an abandoned house!  Then she enters without backup.  Yes, responding to a cry for help would be the expected response of someone in law enforcement.  But this is just dumb given the RJ history, J's warning, and L's experience.

I think the writing needs to be stronger lest the characters' credibility is undermined by stuff like this.  Thanks for listening to my gripes.

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After "Red John's Rules" (S5E22), I really wish RJ turns out to be directed by Sean Barlow with Ray Haffner, Brett Partridge, and Sheriff McAllister committing the RJ murders.

Sean Barlow is the friend/business partner and later enemy of Alex Jane, PJ's father.  Other than Bret Stiles, SB is the only character with the charisma, brains, ruthlessness, psychic/mentalist skills, organization (see below), and showmanship to carry it off.  I realize this is highly unlikely...  The others--especially the list of 7--are either too obvious or lack credibility by comparison.  (Bret Stiles is the obvious alternative, but is too old.  He also doesn't seem depraved enough to personally revel in RJ's heinous murders.  He seemed genuinely upset at the murder of the female Visualize member who worked on his security team.)

The following was established In "Red John's Rules."  Long with the carnival, SB would know PJ's past, including Eileen Barlow Turner (who SB raised and who RJ murdered), the Carson Springs carny layover location, and possibly Gottleib, the director of the Child Protective Sevices and a RJ friend.  Becoming an enemy of Alex Jane and given to nursing grudges and swearing vengeance, it is likely SB would have pursued vengeance against Alex Jane and his family, PJ.  (As Judge Dellinger in "Red Dawn" S5E5 said, "If you want to hurt a man, don't kill him--kill his family.")  According to PJ's carny friend, Pete Turner, SB is ruthless and capable of killing his niece Eileen.  Since SB and Eileen were with the carnival, he might well know of PJ's "happy childhood memory" first-hand by simple observation.  If not, SB would have had access to the young PJ and, as a psychic and mentalist himself, could have used hypnosis.  Finally, SB maintains connections with Ireland.  He is old enough to have had those connections in the days of the Irish Republican Army.  The criminal/terrorist network that used to fund the IRA is still accused of being involved with bank robbery, extortion, smuggling, and counterfeiting.  Were SB involved, that would give him a criminal network with international reach and connections to other criminal/terrorist groups.  In the past, the IRA was involved with the PLO, Quadafi's Libya, FARC in Colombia, and the Basque ETA.  As part of an international criminal network, SB would naturally come in contact with disturbed and/or criminal men, and would have opportunities to identify and recruit allies in police departments, the CBI, the FBI, and Homeland Security.  So SB would have the personal traits plus the organization and resources to do many of the things RJ does--murder, favors for friends, infiltrate law enforcement organizations, and pursue vengeance for decades.

As for PJ and RJ, Sean Barlow could personally commit the RJ murders.  But I think it more likely he is the brains of what is now the RJ criminal organization, with others doing the actual murders.  Ray Haffner, a self-admitted "troubled kid," would be my guess for committing the RJ-style murders at the Red Barn farm 25 years ago ("The Red Barn," S5E13).  The murders are now done by a group of similarly-twisted men--perhaps, Brett Partridge and Sheriff Thomas McAllister as well as Haffner.  Why Haffner?  He is the right age to be at the farm.  His height, build, age and hair are credible relative to Rosalind Harker's description.  Haffner has extensive links to relevant organizations--former FBI agent, former CBI Senior Agent, and past/current Visualize member (Red Barn farm link).  His background in surveillance would equip him to access various computer networks and spy on those pursuing RJ.  So Haffner could have murdered PJ's family in reaction to his TV comments about RJ.  Knowing PJ was likely to become a prominent psychic, SB could easily predict PJ would work with police and comment on famous killers for the publicity--thereby securing the vengeance SB swore to exact.  The SB-Alex Jane-PJ-RJ connection thus comes full circle.  Note that tormenting PJ is personal for SB, too.

The lurid RJ murders stand out, but there are also ordinary crimes.  Todd Johnson ("Red Moon," S3E9), the RJ friend and EMT serial cop-killer, may have killed some people for reasons, not just arbitrarily.  Todd Johnson's archaeologist friend Montero ("Red Queen," S3,E16) was a gun-runner to Central/South America for terrorists and dictators (FARC in Colombia?).  Finally, Bosco's team was working on an international drug cartel case when Rebecca murdered them at RJ's direction ("His Red Right Hand," S2E8).  Yes, RJ wanted PJ back on his case, but there could have been a monetary interest in disrupting the drug cartel investigation as well.

Connecting RJ to ordinary crime as well as psychopathic murders provides the resources for his activities and links to other criminal and terrorist organizations, domestic and international.  That could provide a legitimate reason Homeland Security and the FBI to be interested in RJ.  Gale Bertram and Bob Kirkland could be working together for legitimate law enforcement reasons.  Kirkland asked Bertram whether "we" could trust Lisbon.  If they were RJ friends, why would they ever think they could trust Lisbon?  Conversely, if they are working on a legitimate investigation, that comment might make sense in that they are concerned with PJ being compromised by Lorelei ("There Will Be Blood," S5E16).  (BTW, I find it intriguing that Bertram has a plaque for bravery in his office ("Strawberries and Cream," S3E23).  That seems incompatible with him being RJ.)  If Homeland Security and the FBI are investigating several international criminal/terrorist organizations, they may have split it into several smaller investigations to protect the larger effort from being betrayed by one leak or one bad agent.  Kirkland's interest in Lorelei and his act of killing Lennon could have been motivated by protecting the larger investigation (shaky, but ...).

The Mentalist would be well-served by broadening it beyond just RJ and the CBI murder-of-the-week, especially if (the main) RJ is caught in season 6.  I personally would like to see Bertram gone (killed being brave?!), Lisbon promoted to his position, Cho promoted to unit head, and Jane occasionally working with the FBI and Homeland Security on international criminal/terrorist cases.  With all that change, PJ and Lisbon could pursue a personal relationship (Jisbon) while preserving enough change and tension to keep the series new and interesting.  Like I said, unlikely but interesting to speculate.

If you got this far, thanks for spending the time to read all this! 

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My opinion - No one is going to get a tape measure out and measure anyone's height. Nor will they reference anyone's imdb page for height. Walter Mashburn being "too tall" is moot. The description of RJ was made before a lot of these actors were cast for their episodes - and I think once they found their perfect Red John actor, height went out the window. He is my #1 pick - I think it would play out fabulously.

I also think it is worth mentioning that our previous encounters with Red John, whether his voice, his arm, his silhouette, we're likely done by random actors - not the actor who will turn out to be Red John. Much like in the movie Scream. So making any comparisons there is likely worthless.

I want to think age - as established in the Red Barn episode - is a clue we can rely on. That eliminates a few suspects. But with all the acts by RJ followers, I'm not sure what to believe. And I guess that's half the fun!

It's amazing in rewatching episodes how many clues you can find for just about all of the suspects! And there are some great theories here as well!


My list of 7:

Walter Mashburn
Tommy Volker
Ellis Mars
Dean Harken
Virgil Minelli
Max Winter
Brett Partridge (hope it's not him - was torn between him and Haffner to round out my list)


One more thought to add...I feel like having a connection to Lisbon would be something RJ would get a kick out of. Anytime a character has shown a special interest in her, it has been a red flag for me.

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