Who is Red John?

Theories of Eli (26)

Justina over at spoilettv said this in a comment when asked how PJ framed RJ

it's one of my favorite parts, from the episode.

I just read somewhere here that someone got really dissapointed over the same thing , so can we hope that the episode you guy's have been watching is a leak

( please say yes)

For
me it wasen't so crutial who RJ was ( except Reede Smith) even tho I
had my favorite, I would enjoy whomever as long as the storyline was
worthy us mentalist fans, now after reading all of ur theories and comments, I'm not so sure

Please let this episode that you have watched be Bruno Hellers last red herring !

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According to the list
list we have been presented by both PJ and RJ we have 7 suspects,
partridge, Stiles, Hafner, Smith, McAllister, Bertram and Kirkland,
but can we rely on this list or not, I choose to believe that we
can, RJ is one of these 7

 
So the elimination begins
Bertram, McAllister and
Smith is off the list because off what happend in the latest episode
The great red dragon, these are rather high in Blake inc I think
McAllister is the leader, and Bertram is his right hand, who would
take over if something happened to the sheriff, noone know the
identity of all members of this organinasjonen except those at the
top, as none of the subordinating know who is, thats why Reede Smith
does not know that the sheriff and Bertram are the two at the top,
just that they are members and on the same side as him

Then we are left with
Stiles, Hafner, Partridge and Kirkland, all of which are actually
declared dead, quite special, so here it is clearly a dispute, which
is up to us as viewers to figure out, and it comes down to what
happened in the house of PJ during the explosion, all indications are
that Mcallister which stood in the same place as the other two
survivors, bertram and Smith also should survive, and that he managed
to escape from the house in the chaos that arose, they took DNA from
him is not the least bit odd, one gets hurt when there is an
explosion, however, we believe that Hafner and Stiles is killed,
since this is the mentalist I think they both live, so were did the
body parts come from ? , the one other mystery in epsiode 7 Season 6
01.56 we can see that the sheriff looking not up on Jane, but his
other side of the room, behind PJ, which is RJ himself, he is there
to see PJ make a fool of himself,
he has already placed the body parts into space by door and informed
his followers with the tattoo that a bomb will go off, so they can
apply for coverage, when one of his followers and says the cue line
--, no wait,--- that's when PJ shoot for the person who says that,
since he realize that RJ is in the house, but out of sight, in
tulmultene arising Stiles and Hafner manages to escape and crash
almost Lisbon on their way to the house, it can be seen 2:25

 
This is how I have
revived those who at first glance appeared to have been killed in
bomb blast.
 
But there are errors in
this conclusion of the Blake inc is RJ followers, why would RJ put on
the trail of this group, O'Laughlin had no such tattoo, not Lorelei
nor even if they worked for RJ, this I must get back to .

 
But that RJ knows about
PJ's list of seven suspects is no mystery, Lisbon is, in some way
either bugged her office, the team is working on the room, or both,
there must also be a mole in the office working for RJ, and this is
Ron, you probably remember Lisbon Happy memory about a cake left out
in the rain, her response was, I always picture my mum feeding
pidgons for some reason this you can see in the episode Red John out
in rules 16.55 episode, after that pops up constantly doves and a
lady, the most talked about scene related to this is the epsiode 2
season 6 28:46 out in the episode, this is where PJ understand or are
completely aware that Lisbon is in fact bugged and the person who
sits there and feeds the birds most likely is none other than RJ
himself, now dressed to the unrecognizable, like a less attractive
lady.
 
But he can not just go
over to this lady, because what if he's wrong? Or
what if he's right he can not kill this person with so many witnesses
supervising, instead he begins with the long con that will extend
over many episodes.

In episode 3 season 6 to
the sheriff if he was RJ easily have got rid of PJ on the roof, if he
had really wanted to, he did not have to save him from falling, he
could have said, I win you lose, there and then and let PJ fall down
and get away with it by saying that he lost his grip, but he had his
intruksjer clear from the RJ, PJ afraid he is mine and no one else's,
pigeons popping back up there, when Lisbon comes, again reference to
her happy memory, and PJ gets even more certain that RJ is present in
spirit so to speak.

 
So we have Kirkland, he
seemed the very suspicious, and we find out he has a twin brother,
who in some way connected to the RJ, which means that Kirkland kill
all the PJ fake list, which he believes is the real list , to avenge
his brother, who he decided is dead, as he himself says, --in my
heart I know--, and I think this is correct, I think Kirkland is
killed by Reed Smith and his twin brother is actually dead, both of
order from RJ, twin brother because he was disobedient perhaps,
Kirkland because he came too close to the truth, he knew too much, in
too short a time, and that RJ himself said It Is not over before you
catch me or I catch you, ref to PJ, so anyone who gets in the way of
this must die.

 
Now I remembered it about
the tattoo thingy, those who know the true RJ idtentitet has no
tattoo, while those who do not know his face has the tattoo,
therefore, had neither O'Laughlin or Lorelai, tattoo, the other has
never met RJ face to face but always got their orders by telephone,
or through others, who stood RJ closer.

 
This means that Hafner
and Stiles also subject to RJ, but that they is closer than the other
suspects I have written about, they know his identity, they know who
he is, and they see him as their savior, their almighty, he helped
them, to become them they are today without his help they might still
struggled with their demons from the past year, one might also think
that Stiles, considering his age is related to RJ, and therefore not
willing to give him up, maybe not his biological father, but one who
took care of him when he was small and needed a father figure, but
then his true nature came out and Stiles failed to stop him from
becoming a killer,and that he's after that has tried to do good
works with creating Visualize and thus try to save other young people
from the same fate, I
believe that RJ and Hafner first met at Ellis farm and there were
good friends, Hafner was a messed up kid, and RJ as the sociopathic
he is, realized that this was someone he could manipulate and use as
his tool.

So then I explained 6
suspects on the list then there remains only one, my main suspect, I
chose not to think outside the box, I intend to keep my original
suspect, I will not give up until the fat lady has sung, so to
speak.

 
Partridge, the man
who was No. 7 on the list, but who died first, the man who has a
demanding job, but realized that PJ was about to take him and needed
more leeway, the man who is described as a gohul, described as :
Ghoul is a being in
Arabic folklore. They live in cemeteries where
they plunder graves and eating corpses. The word
ghoul's an English rewrite of the Arabic word الغول
(Ghul), which
means demon, let us abide by the first stand, located at burial
sites.

Who keeps on burial sites, the dead, we can also
take the next phrase *where they plunder graves and eat corpses*,
well I will direct your attention with excavators equal, what is
Partridge working on ?he is one of the first in one scene one that
checks the corpse, (graves in the body if you want)

But Partridge are dead you say, well if you just
going to concentrate on those THE CASE episodes we've seen are alive
, not counting the promos are the only two who still live Bertram and
Reede, and they are as I have explained over here definitely NOT RJ,
so if I've managed to wake the others up from the dead, it is not
hard to imagine that someone who works with dead people, which has a
bunch of assistants can fake his own death so that suspicion is no
longer directed at him, and he can play his long con on, in the
belief that he is no longer a suspect and that he will finally get
the confirmation he has been waiting for so long, that PJ will
realize that he has met its over man.

The question then is how this would degenerate in the
episode Red John?

The last we saw of PJ was that he was in a church,
there were at least two other people Tilsted there, a man and a
woman, the man is Bertram, he will explain to PJ, get him to
understand that he had no choice but to obey orders RJ, since RJ has
something on him that could get him fired from his job, as he had at
Reed Smith, he tells PJ that he and McAllister is nothing more than
puppets for RJ, he did not know his identity but have a message from
RJ to meet him at the cemetery and that he (Bertram) will help him to
catch him if he shows him (Bertram) grace, Bertram've said all along
that he would be supervising when PJ takes down RJ , because he is
just curious about who his boss
really is.

 
PJ knows all that Bertram made ​​on RJ orders,
and as already said at a press conference that Bertram is RJ, armed
and dangerous, look no intention of saving his life and is about to
shoot him, when McAllister suddenly appears to shoot Bertram, PJ
shoot sheriff and damage him, but before he gets shot again, he is
knocked unconscious from behind by the mysterious lady who sat behind
in the church, this is the real RJ.

McAllister manages to escape before RJ gets hold on
the ​​weapon PJ had, and he heard Bertram mention the cemetery
so thats were he goes, there is something called Curiosity killed the
cat, and this turns out to be correct in this case,

It takes some time befor PJ is on the way to the
cemetery since he was knocked unconscious, and it is now early
morning, he calls Lisbon and tells how he is on the way, he knows
that RJ eavesdropper her and it's such meeting agreed,
He also calls
so that his team can get to keep the other lawenforcmen people away
so that he can kill RJ in peace, to speak

McAllister is as curious and determined to know who
RJ is, so he disregards the fact that he is an easy target for both
RJ and PJ now that he is injured, and go straight to the cemetery
when he arrives at the cemetery, he sees one that everyone thought
was dead and buried, and realizes that he now stands face to face
with the real RJ and try to escape, this is something PJ witness and
he understand whats is about to happen and start up the hunt for the
both of them, (we dont see RJ identity jsut yet , just a person
dressed as a woman), when PJ finds McAllister is too late, he's dead,
so he returns to the graveyard / park and sit on a bench wating ,
just a few minutes later we see a person get going behind PJ, and on
his way characterize say

 
-Hello Patrick,

Patrick Jane turns and where we see none other than
Bret Partridge, but now more confident in himself, in the belief that
the PJ had never suspected that it was he who would show up, but PJ
certainly has one proof, perhaps one picture of him on it, indicating
that he has always been the only one suspects, which undermines the
Partridge's assertiveness, PJ also beginning to tell when and why he
suspects Partridge, how he met Hafner on the Ellis farm, and made
​​him a of his disciples, how Stiles whole life since has tried
to do good deeds to offset that he took to himself a boy he could not
save etc, and in that way make RJ seems less harmfull, he contiue by
saying that no one will ever know that it is he (PB) who is the
notorious RJ, since everyone (people) want to believe what was said
on presse confress that it was Bertram, and so he also looses he's
status as one of the world's most famous serial killers, he will die
in the knowledge that all would believe he was one victim RJ, which
in reality he actually is, he's one sacrifice for his own
narcissistic behavior, he thought he could out smart the one and only
mentalist!

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I have had trouble getting in to this site today so havent read anything so , sorry if any other have posted something like this before me :)

My theory, right now I dont have a clue to who RJ is , but I believe that it is  Bertram he meets in the church, he shots him, and PJ line

--and now you want mercy ? Is after Bertram confess to be the headleader for the TT organisation, and willingly or unwillingly have given PJ clues to who the real RJ is.

Thats my only guess after seeing first the church scene, during the evening, and then the graveyard scene , thats during the day, PJ would never let RJ walk away if he first had him, he would have killed him right there in the church

And I have to admit I don't think anyone would give away the real RJ in a 30 second promo video, they know that we the fans easy would make that screenshot and find out who the person jumping through that window was, so that is BH last red herring for us guys, have to admit I have never been anymore confused to who RJ is than now.

I have been a BP fan all the way, but one week before clousere I'm starting to have my doubts, but I have to say if he had removed the three dots on his shoulder it wouldnt make such a big scare, but if it was a red dragon on the other hand ?

Thomas Mcallistar is / was the leader of TT when he **died** Bertram was his runner up, they have no clue either who RJ is, they are as scared of him, as he is of TT, thats way he tried to focus the investigation around TT , it was RJ red herring to PJ ( if u understand what I mean)

This is my best guess for now :)


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My best guess, on the Bertram matter, yes he is the head of Tyger, Tyger, No he is not RJ, the way he killed the bartender show just have ruthless he can be, and so PJ feels no quilt for posing him as RJ to the press.

But by publishing his name, he lured the real RJ out of the shadow, ( now waiting for him in the church ,maybe ?)

I still believe that the hole thing came to PJ when he lost the teacup, just something in the way he looked.

I'm still not convinced Partridge is dead, why didnt we see his face. atleast then I could have left that ball dead hehe.

Really hope I will have an intersting week so the days fly by, so looking forward to the next episode :)

And btw the only one I thouht was a bit suspicious in this episode was Ron.


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When Patrick lost the tea cop he realized who RJ was, who and how I don't know yet , but my guess it has something to to with the picture Chos sent of the arm on Partridge

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here u go see you all in 45 min :)

http://www.putlocker.com/file/ADD0D950943039A6#

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I'm kinda new to this forum, didn't know it existed before my son showed
it to me, and since then I been a regular, and one thing thats striked
me , was that even tho a lot of us had diffrent theories about who RJ
is, it always was a good tone between the users, latly that has somehow
changed, I mean I can read a theory about let's say Reede Smith being RJ
and even tho I personally would be very dissapointed if it turned up to
be him, most of the theories I read make sense, because we are all
dedicated to make a great theory showing why we suspect the person we
suspect, I don't tell ppl to stop posting theories only because I don't
like who they think RJ is.

And to be frank I don't like it when
ppl call other ppl theories for crap or Bs, just because we have a
diffrent opinion, I think Partridge is RJ and I will post as many
theories I like about that, and I want change my mind before it's revealed who it is.

I
even click plausible on theories that have another suspect as RJ, just
because it's so many red herrings in this show , that alt of theories is
plausible, that's one of the many things that keep this show so great.

Here you can read my theory , but I warn you my suspect is BP

http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/9976


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